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"Separation of Church and State"
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Antimulticulture
2005-11-11 09:54:35 UTC
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"Separation of Church and State"
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g004.html
November 11, 2005

When did the U.S. government pass a law dictating the separation of church
and state? Where can this law be found?

As the concept is commonly understood today, the government has never passed
a law implementing the "separation of church and state." The First Amendment
simply states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Over the years, however, the Supreme Court and lower federal courts have
reinterpreted this amendment in many ways. This reinterpretation of the
Constitution has in effect become the "law" supposedly dictating the
"separation of church and state."

Let's look first at a very brief history of the Courts reasoning and
rationale for reinterpretation, and then we'll discuss what the phrase
"separation of church and state" means as it is applied in American public
policy.

One of the Supreme Court's most blatant violations of the Constitution came
about through their reinterpretation of the Bill of Rights - the first ten
amendments. Prior to this constitutional violation, the Bill of Rights
applied only to the federal government. Notice the actual language of the
First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law. . ."

As one of many efforts to limit the power of the federal government, the
Constitution left authority over religious matters to the States. The
Supreme Court consistently adhered to this constitutional principle until
well into the twentieth century.

But in the 1925 ruling, Gitlow v. New York, the Supreme Court began ignoring
its predecessors and precedents. The Court reasoned that one of the purposes
of the Fourteenth Amendment was to extend the Bill of Rights to the States.
(This would obviously expand the powers of the federal courts to a great
degree.) The history of the Fourteenth Amendment does not support their
contention, nor do the earlier Courts.

Nonetheless, the 1925 Court ignored the historical record and the opinions
of their predecessors, establishing a new precedent. Gitlow dealt with
freedom of speech and the press; religious matters would soon follow.

In the context of religion, the Court's first and most abusive
reinterpretation began in a 1940 Supreme Court ruling, Cantwell v.
Connecticut. Here, the Court applied the "free exercise" clause of the First
Amendment to the states. Again, religion was a State matter. State courts
were, and are, completely capable of handling the issue. Nevertheless, the
Supreme Court, in direct opposition to the original intentions of the
Constitution, applied yet another portion of the Bill of Rights to the
States. They did not stop there.

The next landmark ruling came down in 1947. In the case, Everson v. Board of
Education, the Supreme Court applied the "establishment clause" of the First
Amendment to the states. In the context of the "separation of church and
state," the Court's foundational reinterpretation of the Constitution was
complete. From 1947 forward, the Court has ruled with regularity on
religious issues, in direct violation of the original meaning of the First
Amendment. Their rulings, and those of lower courts (federal and State) have
become the "law" of "separation of church and state."

That was a very brief description of how the federal courts have taken
authority over religious issues, reinterpreting the First Amendment and
applying it to the States by way of the Fourteenth Amendment. All of this
was done in clear violation of the actual wording of the Constitution, as
well as the intentions of its framers. The modern concept of "separation of
church and state" can not be justified using the historical record.
We are forced, however, to work with the existing court doctrines.
Therefore, what does the phrase mean today as it is applied in American
public policy? The First Amendment, which prohibited any "law respecting the
establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," has
evolved into something entirely new. During the last generation, the courts,
at all levels, have ruled in ways that essentially guarantee the freedom
from religion, instead of the freedom of religion.

"Separation of church and state," as applied to education, means that a
prayer at a graduation ceremony is unconstitutional. It also means that
students may not pause for a moment of silence at the beginning of their
school day. It means that a nativity scene may not be displayed on public
property unless there are other displays (e.g. Santa Clause or Christmas
trees) that secularize the presentation.

Today's conception of "separation of church and state" has also been used to
remove historic crosses from public property, and religious symbols from
city seals. It has been used to remove the Ten Commandments from courtrooms,
even though they are carved in stone within the architecture of the Supreme
Court building. The concept has been used to prevent religious expressions
on personalized license plates. And these are but a few of the official
applications of the concept, or "law" of "separation of church and state."

One should understand that "separation of church and state" is not actually
a law. It is a doctrine, or a legal concept, that has been implemented by
the various courts primarily over the last fifty years. If this concept, as
originally understood, would have been applied with consistency over the
years, America would certainly be a different country right now. Religious
expression would flourish, and the courts would not be micromanaging the
religious life of the American people.

The doctrine of "separation of church and state" has been used, and is being
used, to effectively purge religion from the public square. The historical
perspective on church/state issues reveals a much different story. The
government was to accommodate the religious communities; religion and
religious expression were to be encouraged.

This is why, for example, the first Congress asked President George
Washington to issue a Thanksgiving Proclamation upon completion of the Bill
of Rights. Today, that practice would be viewed as unconstitutional. It
would violate the "separation of church and state."

--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty

"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
Xeno Chauvin
2005-11-11 18:04:48 UTC
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"Antimulticulture" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In the U.S. we have long forgotten that the"nation"
was founded by 13 separate "countries" and that the
Constitution was to delineate EXACTLY what the
Federal/National Government was able to do and NOT do.
Xeno
Lets Roll
2005-11-12 04:14:46 UTC
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Post by Antimulticulture
"Separation of Church and State"
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g004.html
November 11, 2005
When did the U.S. government pass a law dictating the separation of church
and state? Where can this law be found?
Better yet, where in our Constitution does it state that transnational
corporations and ultra-wealthy aristocrats would dictate national policy? I
thought we were supposed to have a Democratic Republic, not Corporate
Fascism.
Separate Big Business from our government, and the separation of church and
state would just about solve itself, as would most of the problems that
trouble both conservatives and liberals.

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