So you thought your children were your own?

Abbot) Speaking of children, I understand yours are pretty upset that
you sat by while their mother slid into a suicidal depression and that
you p*ssed away money that could have been used for their educations.

Post by Vicegerent
In discussions about the Birth Certificate and the Statement
of (live) Birth, it has been pointed out that the Birth Certificate,
and the name thereon is the creation of the Crown (or State
in the USA), and that name is derived from the Statement of
Birth filed by the parents just after the child's birth.
The Birth Certificate 'legal fiction/legal identity' name is created
by making the family name primary and the given names as
reference names.
The Statement of Birth has 'given names', with the family/surname
shown as a reference name for the given names.
The form completed by the parents of the new-born child shows
that the parents gave their names as being the Birth Certificate
names, not the Statement of Birth names. The Birth certificate
name, when used by a man or woman imposes the status of
'plantation slave' upon them. Thus, the form for the Statement
of Birth registery with the Crown in right of the birth Province,
(or the birth State) shows that the parents of the registered
child are plantation slaves.
It is common knowledge that the plantation slave owner claims
the children of his slaves as being his chattel property. The
'legal identity' and subsequently the SIN# (or SSN#) is the
claim and number of that slave child. The legislation decreeing
this is usually called the 'Child Custody Act'.
And, now there is a current court case from California where
the judge makes it perfectly clear that the child is the property
and total responsbility of the State. Same O, Same O in Canada.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/E8695945B7C6F6B5882570AD0051320A/$file/0356499.pdf?openelement
If the URL breaks upon posting, you will have to 'cut and paste' to
your address bar.
Vicegerent

Jimmy_For_Freedom

2005-11-04 13:38:38 UTC

Post by Abbot
Abbot) Speaking of children, I understand yours are pretty upset that
you sat by while their mother slid into a suicidal depression and that
you p*ssed away money that could have been used for their educations.

Are you presuming Vicegerent had children and that his wwife committed
suicide? Even if he had some biological offspring, how do you know he
didn't ignorantly sign them over to the state through registration
process? You're making way to many presumptions to form a basis for
your questions to stand.

Abbot

2005-11-04 14:36:32 UTC

Abbot 2) Are trying to change the subject so that Eldon won't have to
address the mess that is his life?

Vicegerent

2005-11-04 15:27:49 UTC

In discussions about the Birth Certificate and the Statement
of (live) Birth, it has been pointed out that the Birth Certificate,
and the name thereon is the creation of the Crown (or State
in the USA), and that name is derived from the Statement of
Birth filed by the parents just after the child's birth.

The Birth Certificate 'legal fiction/legal identity' name is created
by making the family name primary and the given names as
reference names.

The Statement of Birth has 'given names', with the family/surname
shown as a reference name for the given names.

The form completed by the parents of the new-born child shows
that the parents gave their names as being the Birth Certificate
names, not the Statement of Birth names. The Birth certificate
name, when used by a man or woman imposes the status of
'plantation slave' upon them. Thus, the form for the Statement
of Birth registery with the Crown in right of the birth Province,
(or the birth State) shows that the parents of the registered
child are plantation slaves.

It is common knowledge that the plantation slave owner claims
the children of his slaves as being his chattel property. The
'legal identity' and subsequently the SIN# (or SSN#) is the
claim and number of that slave child. The legislation decreeing
this is usually called the 'Child Custody Act'.

And, now there is a current court case from California where
the judge makes it perfectly clear that the child is the property
and total responsbility of the State. Same O, Same O in Canada.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/E8695945B7C6F6B588257...

If the URL breaks upon posting, you will have to 'cut and paste' to
your address bar.

Vicegerent

Abbot

2005-11-04 15:35:00 UTC

Abbot) The amazing thing is that the argument below is, word for word,
the basis of the straw man argument, which Eldon claims he does not
make!

Who says paranoid schizophrenia doesn't affect I.Q.?

Post by Vicegerent
In discussions about the Birth Certificate and the Statement
of (live) Birth, it has been pointed out that the Birth Certificate,
and the name thereon is the creation of the Crown (or State
in the USA), and that name is derived from the Statement of
Birth filed by the parents just after the child's birth.
The Birth Certificate 'legal fiction/legal identity' name is created
by making the family name primary and the given names as
reference names.
The Statement of Birth has 'given names', with the family/surname
shown as a reference name for the given names.
The form completed by the parents of the new-born child shows
that the parents gave their names as being the Birth Certificate
names, not the Statement of Birth names. The Birth certificate
name, when used by a man or woman imposes the status of
'plantation slave' upon them. Thus, the form for the Statement
of Birth registery with the Crown in right of the birth Province,
(or the birth State) shows that the parents of the registered
child are plantation slaves.
It is common knowledge that the plantation slave owner claims
the children of his slaves as being his chattel property. The
'legal identity' and subsequently the SIN# (or SSN#) is the
claim and number of that slave child. The legislation decreeing
this is usually called the 'Child Custody Act'.
And, now there is a current court case from California where
the judge makes it perfectly clear that the child is the property
and total responsbility of the State. Same O, Same O in Canada.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/E8695945B7C6F6B588257...
If the URL breaks upon posting, you will have to 'cut and paste' to
your address bar.
Vicegerent

Jimmy_For_Freedom

2005-11-04 16:14:41 UTC

Abbot 2) Are trying to change the subject so that Eldon won't have to
address the mess that is his life?

Nope! I'm asking what your presumptions are.

Abbot

2005-11-04 16:23:31 UTC

Abbot 2) Are trying to change the subject so that Eldon won't have to
address the mess that is his life?

Nope! I'm asking what your presumptions are.

Abbot 3) What do you think they are?

Well Done

2005-11-05 21:53:05 UTC

Post by Vicegerent
The Birth certificate
name, when used by a man or woman imposes the status of
'plantation slave' upon them.

*PLONK*
--
): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)

Henny

2005-11-05 21:59:04 UTC

Post by Well Done

Post by Vicegerent
The Birth certificate
name, when used by a man or woman imposes the status of
'plantation slave' upon them.

*PLONK*
--
): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)

Jesus said that we're all God's children, but then again he said he was a
virgin born of a virgin birth.

I think that Jesus was kidding that day and had too much wine.

Vicegerent

2005-11-06 16:16:17 UTC