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Antimulticulture
2005-12-19 10:12:40 UTC
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Little punishment for the real thugs
http://www.smh.com.au
Paul Sheehan
December 19, 2005

Politicians and the legal establishment have weakened the police force,
writes Paul Sheehan.

Deserted beaches. Random searches. Police lockdowns. This past weekend
personified the law and order gulf in NSW. Too much law. Not enough order.

Politics in NSW has changed. The public is going to become restive and
resentful when it begins to understand the full magnitude of the limitations
and fears and failures imposed on the police by our legal and political
establishment. Hugely expensive public relations exercises, such as the
weekend's belated show of force against soft targets, are not going to
substitute for substance.

There is a brazen, racist, criminal subculture in this city and the public
want it cauterised. Not talked to death. Not swept under the carpet again.
Cauterised.

One week ago, Sydney had the appalling spectre of a large group of street
brawlers assembling in Punchbowl, forming a 40-car convoy, proceeding like a
military flying squad, hazard lights blazing as a display of force and
confidence, and causing havoc on the streets in the eastern suburbs, with
the police nowhere to be found. Responding to any threat from the police
with both numbers and belligerence has been standard and effective operating
procedure in this subculture for years.

Unless and until the Police Commissioner, Ken Moroney, starts announcing the
arrests of some of those involved in last Monday's convoy of intimidation,
his main contribution to the debate will continue to be rhetorical
flatulence.

Among police whistleblowers, there is a conviction that police intelligence,
initiative and effectiveness have been dangerously compromised by the legal
profession, where the defence bar enjoys disproportionate powers which have
undermined due process rather than enhanced it.

A former detective, Michael Kennedy, told me: "There was a huge struggle by
the legal establishment to undermine the police. We had a royal commission
that fed the public a lot of nonsense. The Wood royal commission [1994-98]
absolutely interfered with policing in this state."

Another former detective, Tim Priest, who correctly predicted this recent
civil disorder two years ago, added: "In 1996, with the arrival of Peter
Ryan [as police commissioner] and the continued public humiliation of the
NSW Police through the Wood royal commission, a chain of events began that
have affected the police so deeply and so completely that, as far as
ensuring public safety, I fear it will take at least a generation to regain
lost ground."

Another former senior detective, who did not want to be named, said: "The
young police know that if they ever go in hard, they will get no back-up
from the courts, or the police hierarchy. They may be charged with assault
and accused of being racist. So we have a static, scared, reactive police
force that is driven by statistics, not arrests. That's why you're starting
to see vigilante-type thinking."

Senator Bill Heffernan, never afraid to make outrageous statements which
happen to accord with widespread public sentiment, told me: "The NSW Police
has just developed into a pansy operation since politicians took away the
kick-arse provisions in the law ... The Wood royal commission was a farce.
There ought to be a royal commission into the royal commission."

[ed. Royal commission into politicians would be more useful...]

What all these hardnuts say is that the shock and shame over the behaviour
of a couple of hundred idiots at Cronulla has overshadowed why thousands of
people bothered to go to Cronulla to protest in the first place. A protest
of this magnitude is a serious indicator of social unease.

"The reason why thousands of people turned up was because there has been
aggressive behaviour on the beach and at Gunnamatta Park for years," the
state MP for Cronulla, Malcolm Kerr, said. "I organised a rally about this
same issue four years ago. We've been complaining about a lack of police
numbers, a lack of police presence, and a lack of police response for
years."

At this rally in 2001, the former assistant police commissioner Geoff
Schuberg said Cronulla had lost its police station, its area commander, and
its police numbers had dropped from 50 to 29 while response times drifted
out to two hours. And all this was going on while a vicious undertow was
growing unchecked at Cronulla.

As one 17-year-old told The Sunday Telegraph, "People are getting rolled,
mugged and bashed all the time, and its always 20 of them to one of us."
"Them" being, by implication, Lebanese males. Similar comments to the media
have come all during the week, especially from the prime target of
harassment on the beach, young women, who say aggression and sexual innuendo
from young Lebanese has been routine for years. That is the source of all
the anger.

One of the most angry, and a key hysteric on Cronulla Beach last Sunday, was
Glen "Steely" Steele. Last week, he made a public apology to the Lebanese
community for his bare-chested ranting at the crowd and into the TV cameras:
"I am deeply embarrassed and ashamed, especially for my family, in the way I
let my behaviour deteriorate. Unfortunately alcohol played a major part in
my behaviour."

[ed. Don't apologise, show some backbone, stick to yer guns...]

Yes, alcohol was a key element, but what was the driving element for the
hundreds of males who meted out revenge, damage and intimidation on Monday
and Tuesday? Don't expect any apologies from this quarter. Expect more
intimidation. On Friday, Moroney warned: "Our latest intelligence tells us
that large numbers of people are planning to go to these areas on Sunday to
cause riotous behaviour."

How many people have been arrested who weren't served up to the police
courtesy of TV footage? So far, it's been the soft targets, not the hard
men. As usual.

[ed. We know police minister "sparkles" Scully isn't on our side having
described all 6000 white people who turned up to defend the beach as "drunken
yobbo's" - meantime "operation white-purge" continues...]

--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty

"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
michail
2005-12-26 05:20:31 UTC
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Listen, people. misc.immigration.australia+NZ is NOT a political website and
we don't need your stupid political opinions here, thank you. Posty your
opinion on political groups and don't bore us with your crap.
Post by Antimulticulture
Little punishment for the real thugs
http://www.smh.com.au
Paul Sheehan
December 19, 2005
Politicians and the legal establishment have weakened the police force,
writes Paul Sheehan.
Deserted beaches. Random searches. Police lockdowns. This past weekend
personified the law and order gulf in NSW. Too much law. Not enough order.
Politics in NSW has changed. The public is going to become restive and
resentful when it begins to understand the full magnitude of the limitations
and fears and failures imposed on the police by our legal and political
establishment. Hugely expensive public relations exercises, such as the
weekend's belated show of force against soft targets, are not going to
substitute for substance.
There is a brazen, racist, criminal subculture in this city and the public
want it cauterised. Not talked to death. Not swept under the carpet again.
Cauterised.
One week ago, Sydney had the appalling spectre of a large group of street
brawlers assembling in Punchbowl, forming a 40-car convoy, proceeding like a
military flying squad, hazard lights blazing as a display of force and
confidence, and causing havoc on the streets in the eastern suburbs, with
the police nowhere to be found. Responding to any threat from the police
with both numbers and belligerence has been standard and effective operating
procedure in this subculture for years.
Unless and until the Police Commissioner, Ken Moroney, starts announcing the
arrests of some of those involved in last Monday's convoy of intimidation,
his main contribution to the debate will continue to be rhetorical
flatulence.
Among police whistleblowers, there is a conviction that police
intelligence,
initiative and effectiveness have been dangerously compromised by the legal
profession, where the defence bar enjoys disproportionate powers which have
undermined due process rather than enhanced it.
A former detective, Michael Kennedy, told me: "There was a huge struggle by
the legal establishment to undermine the police. We had a royal commission
that fed the public a lot of nonsense. The Wood royal commission [1994-98]
absolutely interfered with policing in this state."
Another former detective, Tim Priest, who correctly predicted this recent
civil disorder two years ago, added: "In 1996, with the arrival of Peter
Ryan [as police commissioner] and the continued public humiliation of the
NSW Police through the Wood royal commission, a chain of events began that
have affected the police so deeply and so completely that, as far as
ensuring public safety, I fear it will take at least a generation to regain
lost ground."
Another former senior detective, who did not want to be named, said: "The
young police know that if they ever go in hard, they will get no back-up
from the courts, or the police hierarchy. They may be charged with assault
and accused of being racist. So we have a static, scared, reactive police
force that is driven by statistics, not arrests. That's why you're starting
to see vigilante-type thinking."
Senator Bill Heffernan, never afraid to make outrageous statements which
happen to accord with widespread public sentiment, told me: "The NSW Police
has just developed into a pansy operation since politicians took away the
kick-arse provisions in the law ... The Wood royal commission was a farce.
There ought to be a royal commission into the royal commission."
[ed. Royal commission into politicians would be more useful...]
What all these hardnuts say is that the shock and shame over the behaviour
of a couple of hundred idiots at Cronulla has overshadowed why thousands of
people bothered to go to Cronulla to protest in the first place. A protest
of this magnitude is a serious indicator of social unease.
"The reason why thousands of people turned up was because there has been
aggressive behaviour on the beach and at Gunnamatta Park for years," the
state MP for Cronulla, Malcolm Kerr, said. "I organised a rally about this
same issue four years ago. We've been complaining about a lack of police
numbers, a lack of police presence, and a lack of police response for
years."
At this rally in 2001, the former assistant police commissioner Geoff
Schuberg said Cronulla had lost its police station, its area commander, and
its police numbers had dropped from 50 to 29 while response times drifted
out to two hours. And all this was going on while a vicious undertow was
growing unchecked at Cronulla.
As one 17-year-old told The Sunday Telegraph, "People are getting rolled,
mugged and bashed all the time, and its always 20 of them to one of us."
"Them" being, by implication, Lebanese males. Similar comments to the media
have come all during the week, especially from the prime target of
harassment on the beach, young women, who say aggression and sexual innuendo
from young Lebanese has been routine for years. That is the source of all
the anger.
One of the most angry, and a key hysteric on Cronulla Beach last Sunday, was
Glen "Steely" Steele. Last week, he made a public apology to the Lebanese
"I am deeply embarrassed and ashamed, especially for my family, in the way I
let my behaviour deteriorate. Unfortunately alcohol played a major part in
my behaviour."
[ed. Don't apologise, show some backbone, stick to yer guns...]
Yes, alcohol was a key element, but what was the driving element for the
hundreds of males who meted out revenge, damage and intimidation on Monday
and Tuesday? Don't expect any apologies from this quarter. Expect more
intimidation. On Friday, Moroney warned: "Our latest intelligence tells us
that large numbers of people are planning to go to these areas on Sunday to
cause riotous behaviour."
How many people have been arrested who weren't served up to the police
courtesy of TV footage? So far, it's been the soft targets, not the hard
men. As usual.
[ed. We know police minister "sparkles" Scully isn't on our side having
described all 6000 white people who turned up to defend the beach as "drunken
yobbo's" - meantime "operation white-purge" continues...]
--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty
"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
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