Muslims are right about Britain

[Antimulticulture]

Muslims are right about Britain
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=125926&D=2005-08-05&HC=4
2005-08-05
John Hayes

Many [more] moderate Muslims believe that much of Britain
is decadent. They are right. Mr Blair says that
the fanatics who want to blow us up despise us,
but he won’t admit that their decent
co-religionists — who are the best hope of
undermining the extremists at source — despair of
us. They despair of the moral decline and the ugly
brutishness that characterise much of urban
Britain. They despair of the metropolitan mix of
gay rights and lager louts. And they despair of
the liberal establishment’s unwillingness to face
the facts and fight the battle for manners and morals.

[Ed. That is not to say Islamics are a paragon of virtue
and piety either...god forbid we end up like them...]

They are not alone. The Windrush generation of
Caribbeans came to Britain with the most
traditional of values — proud Christians with
dignity and a sense of duty — the kind of people
so steeped in our history that they gave their
children names like Winston, Milton and Gladstone.
As vice-chairman of the British Caribbean
Association, I recently had the chance to ask such
people why so many young British blacks had got
into trouble with the law. They unequivocally
blamed the licence they encountered almost as soon
as they arrived here, which made it so hard to
inculcate their standards in the next generation.

The alienation felt by young blacks and Asians is
not a result of any intolerance shown towards
them, but of the endless tolerance of those who
would allow everything and stand up for nothing.
It is the excesses permitted by a culture spawned
by the liberal Left that have produced a
generation that feels rootless and hopeless. The
young crave noble purposes as children need
discipline; neither get much of them in modern
Britain and the void is filled by disrespect,
fecklessness, mindless nihilism or, worse, wicked
militancy.

It is unreasonable to expect Muslim leaders to put
right what’s wrong in their communities if we are
not going to be honest about what’s wrong with ours.

Some of rural Britain (including the area in which
I live and represent) still has strong
communities. There, many of the old-fashioned
values lost elsewhere prevail. Beyond these
heartlands, much else is ailing. A sickening
decadence has taken hold. People’s sense of
identity has been eroded as our traditions and the
institutions that safeguard them have been derided
for years. People’s sense of history has been
weakened by an education system that too often
emphasises the themes in history rather than its
chronology, and which indoctrinates a guilt-ridden
interpretation of Britain’s contribution to the
world. People’s sense of responsibility has been
undermined by a commercial and media preoccupation
with the immediate gratification of material
needs, regardless of consequences — we want
everything and we want it now, so we spend and
borrow, cheat and hurt. People’s self-regard has
diminished as, robbed of any sense of worth beyond
their capacity to consume and fornicate, they feel
purposeless. We have forgotten that pleasure is a
mere proxy for the true happiness which flows from
commitment and the gentle acceptance that it is
what we give, not what we take, that really matters.

The vulnerable are the chief victims of decadence.
Children suffer when families break down. The old
suffer as their needs are seen as inconvenient and
their wisdom is no longer valued. For the rich,
decadence is either a lifestyle choice or
something you can buy your way out of. But for the
less well off — stripped of the dignities which
stem from a shared sense of belonging and pride —
the horror of a greedy society in which they can’t
compete is stark. The civilised urban life that
was available to my working-class parents is now
the preserve of those whose wealth shields them
from lawlessness and frees them from the
inadequate public services that their less
fortunate contemporaries are forced to endure.

Safely gated, the liberal elite do not merely turn
a blind eye — though that would be bad enough.
They voyeuristically feed the masses with Big
Brother and legislate to allow 24-hour
drunkenness. In answer to the desperate call for
much-needed restraint, we hear from those with
power only the shrill cry for ever more unbridled
liberty.

Politicians who should know better fear debates
about values, preferring to retreat to morally
neutral, utilitarian politics, as uninspiring as
it is unimaginative. It is the kind of discourse
which leaves those who aspire to govern reduced —
in the heat of a general election campaign — to
debating how efficiently their respective parties
can disinfect hospitals. Most Church leaders have
also given up the fight. Many have convinced
themselves that to be fashionable is to be
relevant and that being relevant is more important
than being right. Is it any wonder that the
family-minded, morally upright moderate Muslims
despair?

So, with little understanding of the past, little
thought for the future, little respect for others
and virtually no guidance from those appointed or
elected to give it, many modern Britons — each
with their wonderful, unique God-given potential —
are condemned to be selfish, lonely creatures in a
soulless society where little is worshipped beyond
money and sex.

The roots of this brutal hedonism are in soulless
liberalism. Against all the evidence, the liberal
elite — who run much of Britain’s politically
correct new establishment — continue to preach
their creed of freedom without duty, and rights
without obligations. Pope John Paul II — perhaps
the greatest figure of our age — said ‘only the
freedom which submits to the truth leads the human
person to his true good’.

Freedom without purpose is the seed corn of social decay.
It is through the constraints on self-interest and the
restraint that good Muslims revere that we can rebuild
civil society. The most fitting response to the terrorist
outrages would be the kind of moral and cultural renaissance
that would make Britons of all backgrounds feel more proud
of their country.

-x-

John Hayes is Conservative MP for South Holland
and The Deepings.

--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multi-culty

"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up The Traitors!"

[tooly]

I've argued all along that 'science' cannot lead the way, for in spite of
all it's rational correctness, it has no moral center. It can only lead us
astray, leaving us in time, empty and directionless, without structure,
watching on helplessly as chaos surrounds us; which of course, plays to the
immoral, the
unscrupulous, selfish, prurient, opportunistic, underbelly side of human
existence...all not conducive to serving that most important unit of human
cohesion, the family.

But then, I also cannot see any great moral leadership left in our ranks
today. We are beyond the day that silly little stories can sustain our
belief systems, now requiring a much great sophistication. And yet, left to
our own design and capacity for rationalization, modern thinkers are making
shambles of the Church in so many ways, reducing priests to pedophiles and
losing all enigma of a higher order by which it might claim authority over
us.

And thusly, that is the problem in the world today. It is a crisis of Moral
Authority. It would seem we have none, except the notion that 'public
opinion' [ergo, majority vote] can somehow be that moral center? But even
that is squandered as elites and demogogues seem to overrule that 'majority'
time and again, to recreate the world in their own design [and image?].

Thusly, the peoples of the world are thrown together now like a giant stew
and someone professes, this is how things are 'supposed' to be. We create a
monstrocity.

Post by Antimulticulture
Muslims are right about Britain
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=125926&D=2005-08-05&HC=4
2005-08-05
John Hayes
Many [more] moderate Muslims believe that much of Britain
is decadent. They are right. Mr Blair says that
the fanatics who want to blow us up despise us,
but he won't admit that their decent
co-religionists - who are the best hope of
undermining the extremists at source - despair of
us. They despair of the moral decline and the ugly
brutishness that characterise much of urban
Britain. They despair of the metropolitan mix of
gay rights and lager louts. And they despair of
the liberal establishment's unwillingness to face
the facts and fight the battle for manners and morals.
[Ed. That is not to say Islamics are a paragon of virtue
and piety either...god forbid we end up like them...]
They are not alone. The Windrush generation of
Caribbeans came to Britain with the most
traditional of values - proud Christians with
dignity and a sense of duty - the kind of people
so steeped in our history that they gave their
children names like Winston, Milton and Gladstone.
As vice-chairman of the British Caribbean
Association, I recently had the chance to ask such
people why so many young British blacks had got
into trouble with the law. They unequivocally
blamed the licence they encountered almost as soon
as they arrived here, which made it so hard to
inculcate their standards in the next generation.
The alienation felt by young blacks and Asians is
not a result of any intolerance shown towards
them, but of the endless tolerance of those who
would allow everything and stand up for nothing.
It is the excesses permitted by a culture spawned
by the liberal Left that have produced a
generation that feels rootless and hopeless. The
young crave noble purposes as children need
discipline; neither get much of them in modern
Britain and the void is filled by disrespect,
fecklessness, mindless nihilism or, worse, wicked
militancy.
It is unreasonable to expect Muslim leaders to put
right what's wrong in their communities if we are
not going to be honest about what's wrong with ours.
Some of rural Britain (including the area in which
I live and represent) still has strong
communities. There, many of the old-fashioned
values lost elsewhere prevail. Beyond these
heartlands, much else is ailing. A sickening
decadence has taken hold. People's sense of
identity has been eroded as our traditions and the
institutions that safeguard them have been derided
for years. People's sense of history has been
weakened by an education system that too often
emphasises the themes in history rather than its
chronology, and which indoctrinates a guilt-ridden
interpretation of Britain's contribution to the
world. People's sense of responsibility has been
undermined by a commercial and media preoccupation
with the immediate gratification of material
needs, regardless of consequences - we want
everything and we want it now, so we spend and
borrow, cheat and hurt. People's self-regard has
diminished as, robbed of any sense of worth beyond
their capacity to consume and fornicate, they feel
purposeless. We have forgotten that pleasure is a
mere proxy for the true happiness which flows from
commitment and the gentle acceptance that it is
what we give, not what we take, that really matters.
The vulnerable are the chief victims of decadence.
Children suffer when families break down. The old
suffer as their needs are seen as inconvenient and
their wisdom is no longer valued. For the rich,
decadence is either a lifestyle choice or
something you can buy your way out of. But for the
less well off - stripped of the dignities which
stem from a shared sense of belonging and pride -
the horror of a greedy society in which they can't
compete is stark. The civilised urban life that
was available to my working-class parents is now
the preserve of those whose wealth shields them
from lawlessness and frees them from the
inadequate public services that their less
fortunate contemporaries are forced to endure.
Safely gated, the liberal elite do not merely turn
a blind eye - though that would be bad enough.
They voyeuristically feed the masses with Big
Brother and legislate to allow 24-hour
drunkenness. In answer to the desperate call for
much-needed restraint, we hear from those with
power only the shrill cry for ever more unbridled
liberty.
Politicians who should know better fear debates
about values, preferring to retreat to morally
neutral, utilitarian politics, as uninspiring as
it is unimaginative. It is the kind of discourse
which leaves those who aspire to govern reduced -
in the heat of a general election campaign - to
debating how efficiently their respective parties
can disinfect hospitals. Most Church leaders have
also given up the fight. Many have convinced
themselves that to be fashionable is to be
relevant and that being relevant is more important
than being right. Is it any wonder that the
family-minded, morally upright moderate Muslims
despair?
So, with little understanding of the past, little
thought for the future, little respect for others
and virtually no guidance from those appointed or
elected to give it, many modern Britons - each
with their wonderful, unique God-given potential -
are condemned to be selfish, lonely creatures in a
soulless society where little is worshipped beyond
money and sex.
The roots of this brutal hedonism are in soulless
liberalism. Against all the evidence, the liberal
elite - who run much of Britain's politically
correct new establishment - continue to preach
their creed of freedom without duty, and rights
without obligations. Pope John Paul II - perhaps
the greatest figure of our age - said 'only the
freedom which submits to the truth leads the human
person to his true good'.
Freedom without purpose is the seed corn of social decay.
It is through the constraints on self-interest and the
restraint that good Muslims revere that we can rebuild
civil society. The most fitting response to the terrorist
outrages would be the kind of moral and cultural renaissance
that would make Britons of all backgrounds feel more proud
of their country.
-x-
John Hayes is Conservative MP for South Holland
and The Deepings.
--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multi-culty
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up The Traitors!"

[Perfesser White]

Post by tooly
I've argued all along that 'science' cannot lead the way, for in spite of
all it's rational correctness, it has no moral center. It can only lead us
astray, leaving us in time, empty and directionless, without structure,
watching on helplessly as chaos surrounds us; which of course, plays to the
immoral, the
unscrupulous, selfish, prurient, opportunistic, underbelly side of human
existence...all not conducive to serving that most important unit of human
cohesion, the family.
But then, I also cannot see any great moral leadership left in our ranks
today. We are beyond the day that silly little stories can sustain our
belief systems, now requiring a much great sophistication. And yet, left to
our own design and capacity for rationalization, modern thinkers are making
shambles of the Church in so many ways, reducing priests to pedophiles and
losing all enigma of a higher order by which it might claim authority over
us.
And thusly, that is the problem in the world today. It is a crisis of Moral
Authority. It would seem we have none, except the notion that 'public
opinion' [ergo, majority vote] can somehow be that moral center? But even
that is squandered as elites and demogogues seem to overrule that 'majority'
time and again, to recreate the world in their own design [and image?].
Thusly, the peoples of the world are thrown together now like a giant stew
and someone professes, this is how things are 'supposed' to be. We create a
monstrocity.

Tooly,
If you are not a writer by profession, you probably missed your calling.
Excellent post.

Perfesser White

Post by tooly

Post by Antimulticulture
Muslims are right about Britain
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=125926&D=2005-08-05&HC=4
2005-08-05
John Hayes
Many [more] moderate Muslims believe that much of Britain
is decadent. They are right. Mr Blair says that
the fanatics who want to blow us up despise us,
but he won't admit that their decent
co-religionists - who are the best hope of
undermining the extremists at source - despair of
us. They despair of the moral decline and the ugly
brutishness that characterise much of urban
Britain. They despair of the metropolitan mix of
gay rights and lager louts. And they despair of
the liberal establishment's unwillingness to face
the facts and fight the battle for manners and morals.
[Ed. That is not to say Islamics are a paragon of virtue
and piety either...god forbid we end up like them...]
They are not alone. The Windrush generation of
Caribbeans came to Britain with the most
traditional of values - proud Christians with
dignity and a sense of duty - the kind of people
so steeped in our history that they gave their
children names like Winston, Milton and Gladstone.
As vice-chairman of the British Caribbean
Association, I recently had the chance to ask such
people why so many young British blacks had got
into trouble with the law. They unequivocally
blamed the licence they encountered almost as soon
as they arrived here, which made it so hard to
inculcate their standards in the next generation.
The alienation felt by young blacks and Asians is
not a result of any intolerance shown towards
them, but of the endless tolerance of those who
would allow everything and stand up for nothing.
It is the excesses permitted by a culture spawned
by the liberal Left that have produced a
generation that feels rootless and hopeless. The
young crave noble purposes as children need
discipline; neither get much of them in modern
Britain and the void is filled by disrespect,
fecklessness, mindless nihilism or, worse, wicked
militancy.
It is unreasonable to expect Muslim leaders to put
right what's wrong in their communities if we are
not going to be honest about what's wrong with ours.
Some of rural Britain (including the area in which
I live and represent) still has strong
communities. There, many of the old-fashioned
values lost elsewhere prevail. Beyond these
heartlands, much else is ailing. A sickening
decadence has taken hold. People's sense of
identity has been eroded as our traditions and the
institutions that safeguard them have been derided
for years. People's sense of history has been
weakened by an education system that too often
emphasises the themes in history rather than its
chronology, and which indoctrinates a guilt-ridden
interpretation of Britain's contribution to the
world. People's sense of responsibility has been
undermined by a commercial and media preoccupation
with the immediate gratification of material
needs, regardless of consequences - we want
everything and we want it now, so we spend and
borrow, cheat and hurt. People's self-regard has
diminished as, robbed of any sense of worth beyond
their capacity to consume and fornicate, they feel
purposeless. We have forgotten that pleasure is a
mere proxy for the true happiness which flows from
commitment and the gentle acceptance that it is
what we give, not what we take, that really matters.
The vulnerable are the chief victims of decadence.
Children suffer when families break down. The old
suffer as their needs are seen as inconvenient and
their wisdom is no longer valued. For the rich,
decadence is either a lifestyle choice or
something you can buy your way out of. But for the
less well off - stripped of the dignities which
stem from a shared sense of belonging and pride -
the horror of a greedy society in which they can't
compete is stark. The civilised urban life that
was available to my working-class parents is now
the preserve of those whose wealth shields them
from lawlessness and frees them from the
inadequate public services that their less
fortunate contemporaries are forced to endure.
Safely gated, the liberal elite do not merely turn
a blind eye - though that would be bad enough.
They voyeuristically feed the masses with Big
Brother and legislate to allow 24-hour
drunkenness. In answer to the desperate call for
much-needed restraint, we hear from those with
power only the shrill cry for ever more unbridled
liberty.
Politicians who should know better fear debates
about values, preferring to retreat to morally
neutral, utilitarian politics, as uninspiring as
it is unimaginative. It is the kind of discourse
which leaves those who aspire to govern reduced -
in the heat of a general election campaign - to
debating how efficiently their respective parties
can disinfect hospitals. Most Church leaders have
also given up the fight. Many have convinced
themselves that to be fashionable is to be
relevant and that being relevant is more important
than being right. Is it any wonder that the
family-minded, morally upright moderate Muslims
despair?
So, with little understanding of the past, little
thought for the future, little respect for others
and virtually no guidance from those appointed or
elected to give it, many modern Britons - each
with their wonderful, unique God-given potential -
are condemned to be selfish, lonely creatures in a
soulless society where little is worshipped beyond
money and sex.
The roots of this brutal hedonism are in soulless
liberalism. Against all the evidence, the liberal
elite - who run much of Britain's politically
correct new establishment - continue to preach
their creed of freedom without duty, and rights
without obligations. Pope John Paul II - perhaps
the greatest figure of our age - said 'only the
freedom which submits to the truth leads the human
person to his true good'.
Freedom without purpose is the seed corn of social decay.
It is through the constraints on self-interest and the
restraint that good Muslims revere that we can rebuild
civil society. The most fitting response to the terrorist
outrages would be the kind of moral and cultural renaissance
that would make Britons of all backgrounds feel more proud
of their country.
-x-
John Hayes is Conservative MP for South Holland
and The Deepings.
--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multi-culty
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up The Traitors!"

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