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Wednesday, December 03, 2003
SSN's and Babies: A Refresher Course ...
I read your post with interest. I have a couple comments.
First a bit of background. I rid myself of their Socialist Slavery
Number nearly 15 years ago. I've not filed fraudulent "Income Tax"
returns since 1984. I've run my own businesses without any "Business
License" since 1982. I've freely traveled this nation without
a"Driver's License" or "Passport" since 1992. In 1994 I married the
love of my life WITHOUT a "Marriage License". In 1997 and 1999 our
children were born without Socialist Slavery Numbers OR Birth
Certificates. Weare home schooling and our eldest is currently reading
at a 3rd gradelevel fully 2 months BEFORE her 6th birthday!
Now, my comments. It is my reasoned belief that the MAJOR problempeople
have when intending to have children sans BC & SSN is they make WAY TOO
big a deal out of it before hand. They put the hospital on
notice and give them a chance to make life miserable for the parents.
The way we handled our first in 1997 and our second in 1999 was as
follows:
For WEEKS prior to the birth I made sure my wife practiced what to say
to ANYONE asking that she sign something while in the hospital. She was
well grounded and knew to refer EVERYONE to me for anything that
required a signature or authorization of ANY kind.
My wife went into labor at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4am on her due date
after 7 months of relatively nasty complications. We headed to the
hospital around 7:30am. After checking in and getting settled the baby
was born at about 3:30pm. The time in recovery and moving into the room
that evening was uneventful. Since my mother-in-law was there and
willing to spend the night at the hospital with my wife I went home to
care for thepets and get my last GOOD night sleep for a while.
Upon returning the next morning around 9:00am my wife informed me that
someone from H&HS (Health & Human Services) had been there very early
that morning requesting she sign "required forms". Of course, she told
them she was way too tired to deal with it then and asked they leave
the "required forms" with her and pick them up later. An interesting
note, the H&HS lady showed up within 2 minutes of my mother-in-law
leaving for
the hospital cafeteria for breakfast. I took the forms, folded them and
put them in my pocket for closer inspection later. I spent the day with
my wife and new baby. My mother-in-law went home to get some much
needed sleep around 11am. I went to the hospital cafeteria around 4:30
for dinner (having not eaten since breakfast at 8:00am). Within 2
minutes of my leaving the H&HS lady showed up requesting the "required
forms" from my wife. My wife told her that I had them and would be back
from dinner in 30 minutes. The H&HS lady said she had duplicates in her
office and would my wife please sign them before she left for the day
at 4:45. My wife declined and referred the H&HS lady to me, yet once
again. I returned at 5:00pm to hear the story. That night was
uneventful (with the exception of little sleep and LOTS of diaper
changes).
The next morning we were due to leave at 12:00noon. My wife was up
walking with my mother-in-law and I was sitting in the room with my
baby. In walked the H&HS lady. She looked EXACTLY like what I'd imagine
a beaurocratic worker bee would. Short, fat, thick glasses and not much
in the way of personality. Certainly, NO sense of humor. She asked for
"the papers". I reached in my pocket and asked if they were "the
papers" to which she referred. She said yes, reaching for them. I let
her have them. She noticed NOTHING was filled in. I told her I'd not
had the chance to read them, yet. She said, and I quote: "There's
nothing to read. You just need to sign them." I informed her that
neither my wife nor I would ever be so stupid as to sign something the
content of which we were not intimately familiar. She seemed indignant
that I wasn't compliant with her so she told me: "They're just the
Birth Certificate Authorization form and the Application for Social
Security Number form. It's no big deal. Everyone is required to sign
them before they're allowed to leave the hospital." That last one
really got my goat. So, I told her that if that truly was the content
of the forms, that there was nothing on those forms that anyone other
than the child's parents needed to know and I declined to fill them out
or sign them. Upon which she said: "Well, by law, I must get these
forms completely filled out and signed by you AND your wife before I
can let you leave the hospital!" Upon which I replied: "Oh, there's a
law? REALLY? Do you have a lawyer assigned to your office? Well, go
back to your office and have him find BOTH the law AND the enforcing
regulation for that law and fax it over to you. Bring it up here, I'll
take the time to read the law and the regulation which states what the
penalty for breaking the law is and I'll make an informed decision as
to
whether I'll comply with the law or break the law and suffer the
consequences." She just stood there with her mouth gaping until I told
her to run along quickly as she was wasting my tax dollars. I don't
think she much liked that last one... Regardless, she showed up about
45 minutes later (right after my wife and mother-in-law had left to the
cafeteria for lunch). I said: "That was fast! I've never known a lawyer
that could lay his hands on any law that quickly. May I see it?" To
which she replied: "Well... There is no law. But if you don't sign
those forms your baby won't have a name!" That one REALLY got me going.
I was forced to laugh at her at that point, still holding my baby and
said: "I know there's no law. However, people have been having babies
and naming them for millenia, time immemorial! EVERY SINGLE ONE of them
had a NAME! They did not require a peon such as
yourself to assign a name to them. My child already has a name." She
was visibly getting angry and frustrated but did a pretty good job
containing herself and said: "Well, if you don't sign those papers the
Security Guards for the hospital won't allow you, your wife or your
baby to leave." That one sounded so funny I nearly fell off my chair
laughing and replied through the laughter: "I hope you and the security
guards don't mind getting sued for false imprisonment!" Then, she said
something that actually scared me. She said: "Well, if you won't
cooperate, I'll just have to fill in and sign the forms myself." I
stood up (all 6' 240#) and towered over her with the most ominous look
I could put on and said: "IF YOU, or anyone else, fraudulently obtains
or discloses ANY information regarding myself, my wife or my baby I
WILL find out and I WILL sue you to the fullest extent of the law both
criminally AND civilly! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!?!" I think I scared her
with that more than she scared me with her prior statement because she
started shaking, teared up, dropped the papers and left in enough of a
hurry to knock over the nurse coming in (who was twice her size). That
was the last I heard from her. We left that afternoon without any
problems.
About 3 weeks later we got a duplicate birth certificate form and SS-5
in the mail addressed to "New Baby" at our street address. Inside
already filled onto the Application for Birth Certificate it referred
to "Name: BABY GIRL" and "DATE OF BIRTH: xx/xx/97" (date intentionally
left out by me, note capitalization) with no information inserted for
"Father's Name:" or "Mother's Name:".A form letter was attached to the
Application for Birth Certificate which stated that they knew of a baby
girl being born on the specified date but had no further information
and could we please submit the requested information for "better census
and record keeping purposes". Of course, it wanted to make sure we
signed "under penalty of perjury" the information on the form. Also,
attached to the SS-5 was a statement that "without a Social Security
Number one may have trouble obtaining and keeping a job, attending
school, or participating in our political system". Of course, the whole
thing went in the same file as the forms the H&HS lady dropped on our
last meeting. I know exactly where they all are: the Miramar Landfill
in little shreds.
A year and a half later, our second was born at the same hospital, on
the same floor, with the same doctors and nurses. The major difference
was that I did not leave my wife (except to relieve myself) for the 36
hours she was there. The H&HS lady (yes, the EXACT SAME LADY!) showed
her face exactly once. She stepped into the room, took one look at me,
turned around and left without saying a word. I never saw her again and
never got the follow-up letter for our second child. I know MANY people
whose kids DO NOT have a SSN. I know many fewer whose kids DO NOT have
a BC. I STRONGLY SUGGEST that any "parent to be" seriously consider NOT
filing forms for EITHER. You can always, with two witness affidavits,
obtain a birth certificate later. With that birth certificate later
obtained, you can always apply for a Socialist Slavery Number via the
SS-5. YOU DO NOT NEED EITHER OF THESE DOCUMENTS FOR YOUR CHILD FOR ANY
REASON (other than obtaining SSA benefits).
Bit7in San Diego.
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From: vicbeck | ***@trytel.net
No Need For Birth Certificate
Wednesday, December 03, 2003
SSN's and Babies: A Refresher Course ...
I read your post with interest. I have a couple comments.
First a bit of background. I rid myself of their Socialist Slavery
Number nearly 15 years ago. I've not filed fraudulent "Income Tax"
returns since 1984. I've run my own businesses without any "Business
License" since 1982. I've freely traveled this nation without
a"Driver's License" or "Passport" since 1992. In 1994 I married the
love of my life WITHOUT a "Marriage License". In 1997 and 1999 our
children were born without Socialist Slavery Numbers OR Birth
Certificates. Weare home schooling and our eldest is currently reading
at a 3rd gradelevel fully 2 months BEFORE her 6th birthday!
Now, my comments. It is my reasoned belief that the MAJOR problempeople
have when intending to have children sans BC & SSN is they make WAY TOO
big a deal out of it before hand. They put the hospital on
notice and give them a chance to make life miserable for the parents.
The way we handled our first in 1997 and our second in 1999 was as
follows:
For WEEKS prior to the birth I made sure my wife practiced what to say
to ANYONE asking that she sign something while in the hospital. She was
well grounded and knew to refer EVERYONE to me for anything that
required a signature or authorization of ANY kind.
My wife went into labor at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4am on her due date
after 7 months of relatively nasty complications. We headed to the
hospital around 7:30am. After checking in and getting settled the baby
was born at about 3:30pm. The time in recovery and moving into the room
that evening was uneventful. Since my mother-in-law was there and
willing to spend the night at the hospital with my wife I went home to
care for thepets and get my last GOOD night sleep for a while.
Upon returning the next morning around 9:00am my wife informed me that
someone from H&HS (Health & Human Services) had been there very early
that morning requesting she sign "required forms". Of course, she told
them she was way too tired to deal with it then and asked they leave
the "required forms" with her and pick them up later. An interesting
note, the H&HS lady showed up within 2 minutes of my mother-in-law
leaving for
the hospital cafeteria for breakfast. I took the forms, folded them and
put them in my pocket for closer inspection later. I spent the day with
my wife and new baby. My mother-in-law went home to get some much
needed sleep around 11am. I went to the hospital cafeteria around 4:30
for dinner (having not eaten since breakfast at 8:00am). Within 2
minutes of my leaving the H&HS lady showed up requesting the "required
forms" from my wife. My wife told her that I had them and would be back
from dinner in 30 minutes. The H&HS lady said she had duplicates in her
office and would my wife please sign them before she left for the day
at 4:45. My wife declined and referred the H&HS lady to me, yet once
again. I returned at 5:00pm to hear the story. That night was
uneventful (with the exception of little sleep and LOTS of diaper
changes).
The next morning we were due to leave at 12:00noon. My wife was up
walking with my mother-in-law and I was sitting in the room with my
baby. In walked the H&HS lady. She looked EXACTLY like what I'd imagine
a beaurocratic worker bee would. Short, fat, thick glasses and not much
in the way of personality. Certainly, NO sense of humor. She asked for
"the papers". I reached in my pocket and asked if they were "the
papers" to which she referred. She said yes, reaching for them. I let
her have them. She noticed NOTHING was filled in. I told her I'd not
had the chance to read them, yet. She said, and I quote: "There's
nothing to read. You just need to sign them." I informed her that
neither my wife nor I would ever be so stupid as to sign something the
content of which we were not intimately familiar. She seemed indignant
that I wasn't compliant with her so she told me: "They're just the
Birth Certificate Authorization form and the Application for Social
Security Number form. It's no big deal. Everyone is required to sign
them before they're allowed to leave the hospital." That last one
really got my goat. So, I told her that if that truly was the content
of the forms, that there was nothing on those forms that anyone other
than the child's parents needed to know and I declined to fill them out
or sign them. Upon which she said: "Well, by law, I must get these
forms completely filled out and signed by you AND your wife before I
can let you leave the hospital!" Upon which I replied: "Oh, there's a
law? REALLY? Do you have a lawyer assigned to your office? Well, go
back to your office and have him find BOTH the law AND the enforcing
regulation for that law and fax it over to you. Bring it up here, I'll
take the time to read the law and the regulation which states what the
penalty for breaking the law is and I'll make an informed decision as
to
whether I'll comply with the law or break the law and suffer the
consequences." She just stood there with her mouth gaping until I told
her to run along quickly as she was wasting my tax dollars. I don't
think she much liked that last one... Regardless, she showed up about
45 minutes later (right after my wife and mother-in-law had left to the
cafeteria for lunch). I said: "That was fast! I've never known a lawyer
that could lay his hands on any law that quickly. May I see it?" To
which she replied: "Well... There is no law. But if you don't sign
those forms your baby won't have a name!" That one REALLY got me going.
I was forced to laugh at her at that point, still holding my baby and
said: "I know there's no law. However, people have been having babies
and naming them for millenia, time immemorial! EVERY SINGLE ONE of them
had a NAME! They did not require a peon such as
yourself to assign a name to them. My child already has a name." She
was visibly getting angry and frustrated but did a pretty good job
containing herself and said: "Well, if you don't sign those papers the
Security Guards for the hospital won't allow you, your wife or your
baby to leave." That one sounded so funny I nearly fell off my chair
laughing and replied through the laughter: "I hope you and the security
guards don't mind getting sued for false imprisonment!" Then, she said
something that actually scared me. She said: "Well, if you won't
cooperate, I'll just have to fill in and sign the forms myself." I
stood up (all 6' 240#) and towered over her with the most ominous look
I could put on and said: "IF YOU, or anyone else, fraudulently obtains
or discloses ANY information regarding myself, my wife or my baby I
WILL find out and I WILL sue you to the fullest extent of the law both
criminally AND civilly! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!?!" I think I scared her
with that more than she scared me with her prior statement because she
started shaking, teared up, dropped the papers and left in enough of a
hurry to knock over the nurse coming in (who was twice her size). That
was the last I heard from her. We left that afternoon without any
problems.
About 3 weeks later we got a duplicate birth certificate form and SS-5
in the mail addressed to "New Baby" at our street address. Inside
already filled onto the Application for Birth Certificate it referred
to "Name: BABY GIRL" and "DATE OF BIRTH: xx/xx/97" (date intentionally
left out by me, note capitalization) with no information inserted for
"Father's Name:" or "Mother's Name:".A form letter was attached to the
Application for Birth Certificate which stated that they knew of a baby
girl being born on the specified date but had no further information
and could we please submit the requested information for "better census
and record keeping purposes". Of course, it wanted to make sure we
signed "under penalty of perjury" the information on the form. Also,
attached to the SS-5 was a statement that "without a Social Security
Number one may have trouble obtaining and keeping a job, attending
school, or participating in our political system". Of course, the whole
thing went in the same file as the forms the H&HS lady dropped on our
last meeting. I know exactly where they all are: the Miramar Landfill
in little shreds.
A year and a half later, our second was born at the same hospital, on
the same floor, with the same doctors and nurses. The major difference
was that I did not leave my wife (except to relieve myself) for the 36
hours she was there. The H&HS lady (yes, the EXACT SAME LADY!) showed
her face exactly once. She stepped into the room, took one look at me,
turned around and left without saying a word. I never saw her again and
never got the follow-up letter for our second child. I know MANY people
whose kids DO NOT have a SSN. I know many fewer whose kids DO NOT have
a BC. I STRONGLY SUGGEST that any "parent to be" seriously consider NOT
filing forms for EITHER. You can always, with two witness affidavits,
obtain a birth certificate later. With that birth certificate later
obtained, you can always apply for a Socialist Slavery Number via the
SS-5. YOU DO NOT NEED EITHER OF THESE DOCUMENTS FOR YOUR CHILD FOR ANY
REASON (other than obtaining SSA benefits).
Bit7in San Diego.