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House OKs Bill to Tighten Immigration Laws
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Antimulticulture
2005-12-17 11:32:56 UTC
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[Ed. "Hey, Sancho - the gringo's are getting tough on the borderrrrr - the new
dune buggy arrives next Julyyyy - hehehehee!!"...]

House OKs Bill to Tighten Immigration Laws
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051217/ap_on_go_co/border_security
By Jim Abrams
16th December, 2005

The House acted Friday to stem the tide of illegal immigration
by taking steps to tighten border controls and stop unlawful immigrants from
getting jobs. But lawmakers left for next year the tougher issue of what to
do with the 11 million undocumented people already in the country.

[ed. Got to work out how they can fit them into next years election campaign
first...]

The House legislation, billed as a border protection, anti-terrorism and
illegal immigration control act, includes such measures as enlisting
military and local law enforcement help in stopping illegal entrants and
requiring employers to verify the legal status of their workers. It
authorizes the building of a fence along parts of the U.S.-Mexico border.

[ed. I was right, they are getting a new dune buggy...]

But it put off consideration of a guest worker program, which President
Bush and many in Congress say must be part of a lasting solution to the
illegal immigrant crisis.

The vote was 239-182, with opposition coming from Democrats and some
Republicans upset by the exclusion of the guest worker issue and other
Republicans wanting tougher border control measures.

[ed. The same way they can do it overnight in Iraq...]

Bush praised the House for approving the bill. "America is a nation built on
the rule of law, and this bill will help us protect our borders and crack
down on illegal entry into the United States," he said in a statement. "I
urge the Senate to take action on immigration reform so that I can sign a
good bill into law."

One measure that Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on was a volatile
proposal to deny citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal
immigrants.

The issue next moves to the Senate, where Majority Leader Bill Frist,
R-Tenn., says he will bring up immigration legislation in February that will
provide a framework for guest worker ideas.

[ed. We will discuss it in February, right now we've got highly urgent, pressing
and concerning matters to attend to - like getting the handicap down to
single figures...]

Nobody is advocating the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants, said
Rep. Jeff Flake,

[ed. What an appropriate name, but he is wrong - many advocate removing the
11+ million illegals - get in the queue like everyone else...]

R-Ariz., sponsor of a guest worker measure. Without a temporary
worker program, he said, "We simply won't enforce the law, and that's the dirty
little secret here."

While many agree with Flake, there are wide differences on the details of a
guest worker program. Some lawmakers would require those in the country
illegally to leave before applying for such a program, arguing that
counterproposals allowing those already here to seek legal status is
equivalent to amnesty.

[ed. Surrender...]

Bush has proposed that undocumented immigrants be allowed to get three-year
work visas. They could extend those for an additional three years, but would
then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new
work permit.

The House bill would beef up border security with the help of local law
enforcement and military technology, impose tougher penalties for smuggling
and re-entry, and end the "catch and release" policy for illegal
non-Mexicans. It makes drunken driving convictions a deportable offense.

The bill makes unlawful presence in the United States, currently a civil
offense, a felony. An amendment to reduce the crime from a felony to a
misdemeanor was defeated, with many Democrats voting against the proposal in
protest over subjecting people who have overstayed their visas to any
criminal charges.

The House also voted 273-148 to end the diversity visa lottery program
that's open to countries that send few immigrations to the United States.
Opponents said it was susceptible to fraud and could be a way for terrorists
to enter the country.

On Thursday, the House approved an amendment calling for construction of a
fence in parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The most sweeping provision of the House bill would require all employers in
the country, more than 7 million, to submit Social Security numbers and
other information to a national data base to verify the legal status of
workers.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups protested this
provision as unworkable, while immigrant rights groups said some of the new
penalties were draconian.

By making it a crime to be present in the country illegally, said the
National Immigration Forum, foreign students who drop a class or high tech
workers who lose jobs and take too long to find a new employer sponsor would
be subject to arrest.

"A migratory reform that only addresses security will not resolve the
bilateral immigration problem," Mexican President Vicente Fox's
spokesman Ruben Aguilar said Friday. "It is indispensable to establish
legal, secure and ordered migration. Our countrymen make an enormous
contribution to the United States economy."

[ed. Correction, your countrymen make an enormous contribution to YOUR economy
- if it weren't for the freeloaders piling over the US border Mexico would be
like Zimbabwe - as for the USA it costs them billions to keep you...]

But sponsors, led by House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner,
R-Wis., and Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King, R-N.Y.,
insisted the bill was a needed step to restoring the integrity of U.S.
borders and re-establishing respect for the law.

The White House said in a statement that it strongly supported the House
bill, adding that it "remains committed to comprehensive immigration reform,
including a temporary worker program that avoids amnesty."

[ed. That's pollie-waffle for "it's all tooo damned hard and i get my pension
in a couple of years so you plebs can kiss my fat, rosy behind..."]

--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty

"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
Lets Roll
2005-12-17 13:36:04 UTC
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Post by Antimulticulture
[Ed. "Hey, Sancho - the gringo's are getting tough on the borderrrrr - the new
dune buggy arrives next Julyyyy - hehehehee!!"...]
House OKs Bill to Tighten Immigration Laws
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051217/ap_on_go_co/border_security
By Jim Abrams
16th December, 2005
The House acted Friday to stem the tide of illegal immigration
by taking steps to tighten border controls and stop unlawful immigrants from
getting jobs. But lawmakers left for next year the tougher issue of what to
do with the 11 million undocumented people already in the country.
[ed. Got to work out how they can fit them into next years election campaign
first...]
The House legislation, billed as a border protection, anti-terrorism and
illegal immigration control act, includes such measures as enlisting
military and local law enforcement help in stopping illegal entrants and
requiring employers to verify the legal status of their workers. It
authorizes the building of a fence along parts of the U.S.-Mexico border.
[ed. I was right, they are getting a new dune buggy...]
But it put off consideration of a guest worker program, which President
Bush and many in Congress say must be part of a lasting solution to the
illegal immigrant crisis.
The vote was 239-182, with opposition coming from Democrats and some
Republicans upset by the exclusion of the guest worker issue and other
Republicans wanting tougher border control measures.
[ed. The same way they can do it overnight in Iraq...]
Bush praised the House for approving the bill. "America is a nation built on
the rule of law, and this bill will help us protect our borders and crack
down on illegal entry into the United States," he said in a statement. "I
urge the Senate to take action on immigration reform so that I can sign a
good bill into law."
One measure that Republican leaders wouldn't allow a vote on was a volatile
proposal to deny citizenship to babies born in this country to illegal
immigrants.
That one is going to cause a lot of tear jerking and self immolation. But
it needs to be tacked on to each and every bill until it is passed
Post by Antimulticulture
The issue next moves to the Senate, where Majority Leader Bill Frist,
R-Tenn., says he will bring up immigration legislation in February that will
provide a framework for guest worker ideas.
[ed. We will discuss it in February, right now we've got highly urgent, pressing
and concerning matters to attend to - like getting the handicap down to
single figures...]
Nobody is advocating the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants, said
Rep. Jeff Flake,
[ed. What an appropriate name, but he is wrong - many advocate removing the
11+ million illegals - get in the queue like everyone else...]
R-Ariz., sponsor of a guest worker measure. Without a temporary
worker program, he said, "We simply won't enforce the law, and that's the dirty
little secret here."
While many agree with Flake, there are wide differences on the details of a
guest worker program. Some lawmakers would require those in the country
illegally to leave before applying for such a program, arguing that
counterproposals allowing those already here to seek legal status is
equivalent to amnesty.
[ed. Surrender...]
Bush has proposed that undocumented immigrants be allowed to get three-year
work visas. They could extend those for an additional three years, but would
then have to return to their home countries for a year to apply for a new
work permit.
The House bill would beef up border security with the help of local law
enforcement and military technology, impose tougher penalties for smuggling
and re-entry, and end the "catch and release" policy for illegal
non-Mexicans. It makes drunken driving convictions a deportable offense.
Their excuse for engaging in catch-and-release is that they don't have bed
space.
Is this legislation going to have any teeth without funding?
Post by Antimulticulture
The bill makes unlawful presence in the United States, currently a civil
offense, a felony. An amendment to reduce the crime from a felony to a
misdemeanor was defeated, with many Democrats voting against the proposal in
protest over subjecting people who have overstayed their visas to any
criminal charges.
Was there anything in the wording about the penalties? As we have seen in
the past, making something an offense without stipulating the penalty is
just so much pissing in the wind.
Post by Antimulticulture
The House also voted 273-148 to end the diversity visa lottery program
that's open to countries that send few immigrations to the United States.
Opponents said it was susceptible to fraud and could be a way for terrorists
to enter the country.
Getting rid of the diversity visa lottery IS a huge success.
I have a friend who was tinkering around on one of the web sites where you
can sign up for the lottery.
Of course I don't know exactly what all of his information he submitted to
them, but that was over two years ago.
He is still getting spam mail from them, inviting him to fulfill his dreams
of moving to the US.
In fact, after 9/11, the only thing I wonder is what took our legislators so
long to put an end to the lottery. It should have been ended on 9/12, at
the latest.
Post by Antimulticulture
On Thursday, the House approved an amendment calling for construction of a
fence in parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
The most sweeping provision of the House bill would require all employers in
the country, more than 7 million, to submit Social Security numbers and
other information to a national data base to verify the legal status of
workers.
But, they don't have to fire the wetbacks and there are no penalities for
continuing to employ wetbacks even after their identity as a wetback has
been confirmed.
Post by Antimulticulture
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups protested this
provision as unworkable, while immigrant rights groups said some of the new
penalties were draconian.
By making it a crime to be present in the country illegally, said the
National Immigration Forum, foreign students who drop a class or high tech
workers who lose jobs and take too long to find a new employer sponsor would
be subject to arrest.
Good. Maybe some of the alien students will start staying at home and leave
those classroom seats open for American students.
It will also have the added benefit of taking alien job applicants out of
the competition for American jobs.
Again, what are the penalties. Are they going to do a little jail time
before they are deported or are they going to be able to file 40 years worth
of appeals and hearings before they are deported?
Post by Antimulticulture
"A migratory reform that only addresses security will not resolve the
bilateral immigration problem," Mexican President Vicente Fox's
spokesman Ruben Aguilar said Friday. "It is indispensable to establish
legal, secure and ordered migration. Our countrymen make an enormous
contribution to the United States economy."
Well, now, Mr. Fox, that is true to some extent. If the US comes up with a
comprehensive plan that ends wetbacks violating our borders and breaking our
laws, PART of our problems have been solved, and we are left to deal with
the 7 felonious employers and deportation of 30 million of your citizens.
However, with the pressure valve closed off, YOUR problems have only just
begun.
I still say the best policy would be to run all the meskin deportees through
Camp of the Americas and then airlift them into Mexico City, armed to the
teeth, with the vision of revolution planted firmly in their minds. If we
started shipping wetbacks back to Mexico with that frame of mind, I bet
those comic books printed and distributed by the Mexican government would
change their tone in a hurry.
Post by Antimulticulture
[ed. Correction, your countrymen make an enormous contribution to YOUR economy
- if it weren't for the freeloaders piling over the US border Mexico would be
like Zimbabwe - as for the USA it costs them billions to keep you...]
But sponsors, led by House Judiciary Committee Chairman James
Sensenbrenner,
R-Wis., and Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King, R-N.Y.,
insisted the bill was a needed step to restoring the integrity of U.S.
borders and re-establishing respect for the law.
The White House said in a statement that it strongly supported the House
bill, adding that it "remains committed to comprehensive immigration reform,
including a temporary worker program that avoids amnesty."
[ed. That's pollie-waffle for "it's all tooo damned hard and i get my pension
in a couple of years so you plebs can kiss my fat, rosy behind..."]
--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty
"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
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