Vicegerent
2006-08-18 14:21:39 UTC
Or: "American Moronic Insanity Spreads
To England"
Or: "English Turkeys Stampede From Surmised
Panic, Just Like American Turkeys Do"
Quote from Neal King's newsletter:
Iron_Clay <***@clear.net.nz>
Ditch US in terror war, say 80% of Britons ...
now do I have to remind you that there was
actually no plot terrorist action last week
concerning bombs and aircraft heading to
the US from UK. Surely by now you've
worked that much out because the guys
they nabbed didn't have tickets, passports,
or the explosives. No "intent" or "evidence"
was found so what was all the bullshit
about?
The headline and story below tell it all ...
since that government generated terrorist
plot was promoted in the UK, 80% of Brits
want the Government to adopt an even
more "aggressive" foreign policy to
combat international terrorism.
That's 80% of people who are marching
up and down demanding the government
take even more "right's" off them and
make everything they do a "wrong".
And you know what ... Some people
still want "trial by Jury" made up of
12 men and women .. ALL OF WHOM
are included in this 80% ... Now there's
some very sound insanity ... gosh
that is so funny ...
Hi I'd like my court case to be "trial
by Jury" .. and I'd like to select all
the jury members from the mental
asylums please, I'd feel so much
better knowing that complete certified
bloody nutters have my life in their
hands ... gosh that is just so funny ...
Neal
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14597.htm
Ditch US in terror war, say 80%c of Britons
By Toby Helm, Chief Political Correspondent
and Philip Johnston
08/17/06 "The Telegraph" -- -- A majority
of British people wants the Government
to adopt an even more "aggressive" foreign
policy to combat international terrorism,
according to an opinion poll conducted
after the arrests of 24 terrorism suspects
last week.
However - by a margin of more than five
to one - the public wants Tony Blair to
split from President George W Bush
and either go it alone in the "war on
terror", or work more closely with Europe.
A majority also wants tougher domestic
legislation that would allow police more
time to detain suspects while they
investigate complex terrorism plots.
Some 69 per cent said that the police
should be able to hold suspects for up
to 90 days without charge, rather than
be bound by the current 28-day limit.
The poll findings will encourage John
Reid, the Home Secretary, who has
warned the British public that they will
have to forgo many of the freedoms
and liberties they have grown used
to in order to ensure the maximum
level of security.
Yesterday Mr Reid highlighted the
benefit of European co-operation
in the battle against terrorism.
He told a mini-summit of European
Union home ministers in London
that Europe faced a "very real
and persistent threat from a form
of terrorism that is unconstrained
in its evil. . . and its ability to
cause immense harm, death
and destruction".
The meeting was "symbolic" of a
Europe standing together against t
he most serious threat faced by
modern governments, Mr Reid said.
He contrasted what he called the
common EU values of "human rights,
democratic freedoms and justice for
all" with an "intolerant, violent
totalitarianism that seeks to destroy
those values, ironically by subverting
a religion whose very name stands
for peace".
Several of Europe's leading politicians,
including Nicholas Sarkozy, the
French interior minister, and Wolfgang
Schauble, his German counterpart,
attended. They agreed that airport
checks across Europe had to be
harmonised to ensure consistency
and prevent terrorists exploiting
security gaps.
The survey, carried out for The
Spectator magazine, shows that
a majority of people now recognises
everyday lives will change fundamentally.
Seventy three per cent agreed that
"the West is in a global war against
Islamic terrorists who threaten our
way of life".
When asked whether Britain should
change its foreign policy in response
to terrorism only 12 % said it should
be more conciliatory, compared with
53 % who thought it should become
more "aggressive" and 24 % who
wanted no change.
People were divided about the
Muslim community in Britain.
Fifty per cent said "most British
Muslims are moderate" while
28 % disagreed with the
statement and 22 % did not know.
While there was strong support
for a hard line on terrorism at home,
the survey exposed deep-seated
distrust of the foreign policies
championed by Mr Bush since
September 11, 2001. Only 14 %
believed Britain should continue
to align itself with America.
On a recent five-day visit to the
United States Mr Blair did nothing
to distance himself from Mr Bush -
despite pressure to do so from
Labour MPs. In the White House
he stood shoulder to shoulder with
the President, stressing the struggle
the West faced against an "arc of
extremism" stretching from
Afghanistan to the Lebanon.
Some 60 % of people thought the
war on terrorism would continue
for at least 10 years, with 44 % of
these thinking it would still be going
on in 20 years' time.
Fifty per cent of people believed
Mr Blair should have broken his
holiday to deal with the crisis
caused by the arrest of suspects
in last week's alleged plot to blow
up transatlantic aircraft. Forty
three % thought he could do the
job as well by telephone and e-mail.
Stressing the need for European
co-operation, Mr Reid said:
"It's very important that the
measures that are taken in
one country are reflected in
other countries because we
want equal security for all our
countries.
We must not have a position
where terrorists feel if it is difficult
to get through security checks in
London, they might be able to
go to Paris or Frankfurt or Berlin".
© Copyright of
Telegraph Group Limited 2006
Unquote
Posted by:
Vicegerent
To England"
Or: "English Turkeys Stampede From Surmised
Panic, Just Like American Turkeys Do"
Quote from Neal King's newsletter:
Iron_Clay <***@clear.net.nz>
Ditch US in terror war, say 80% of Britons ...
now do I have to remind you that there was
actually no plot terrorist action last week
concerning bombs and aircraft heading to
the US from UK. Surely by now you've
worked that much out because the guys
they nabbed didn't have tickets, passports,
or the explosives. No "intent" or "evidence"
was found so what was all the bullshit
about?
The headline and story below tell it all ...
since that government generated terrorist
plot was promoted in the UK, 80% of Brits
want the Government to adopt an even
more "aggressive" foreign policy to
combat international terrorism.
That's 80% of people who are marching
up and down demanding the government
take even more "right's" off them and
make everything they do a "wrong".
And you know what ... Some people
still want "trial by Jury" made up of
12 men and women .. ALL OF WHOM
are included in this 80% ... Now there's
some very sound insanity ... gosh
that is so funny ...
Hi I'd like my court case to be "trial
by Jury" .. and I'd like to select all
the jury members from the mental
asylums please, I'd feel so much
better knowing that complete certified
bloody nutters have my life in their
hands ... gosh that is just so funny ...
Neal
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14597.htm
Ditch US in terror war, say 80%c of Britons
By Toby Helm, Chief Political Correspondent
and Philip Johnston
08/17/06 "The Telegraph" -- -- A majority
of British people wants the Government
to adopt an even more "aggressive" foreign
policy to combat international terrorism,
according to an opinion poll conducted
after the arrests of 24 terrorism suspects
last week.
However - by a margin of more than five
to one - the public wants Tony Blair to
split from President George W Bush
and either go it alone in the "war on
terror", or work more closely with Europe.
A majority also wants tougher domestic
legislation that would allow police more
time to detain suspects while they
investigate complex terrorism plots.
Some 69 per cent said that the police
should be able to hold suspects for up
to 90 days without charge, rather than
be bound by the current 28-day limit.
The poll findings will encourage John
Reid, the Home Secretary, who has
warned the British public that they will
have to forgo many of the freedoms
and liberties they have grown used
to in order to ensure the maximum
level of security.
Yesterday Mr Reid highlighted the
benefit of European co-operation
in the battle against terrorism.
He told a mini-summit of European
Union home ministers in London
that Europe faced a "very real
and persistent threat from a form
of terrorism that is unconstrained
in its evil. . . and its ability to
cause immense harm, death
and destruction".
The meeting was "symbolic" of a
Europe standing together against t
he most serious threat faced by
modern governments, Mr Reid said.
He contrasted what he called the
common EU values of "human rights,
democratic freedoms and justice for
all" with an "intolerant, violent
totalitarianism that seeks to destroy
those values, ironically by subverting
a religion whose very name stands
for peace".
Several of Europe's leading politicians,
including Nicholas Sarkozy, the
French interior minister, and Wolfgang
Schauble, his German counterpart,
attended. They agreed that airport
checks across Europe had to be
harmonised to ensure consistency
and prevent terrorists exploiting
security gaps.
The survey, carried out for The
Spectator magazine, shows that
a majority of people now recognises
everyday lives will change fundamentally.
Seventy three per cent agreed that
"the West is in a global war against
Islamic terrorists who threaten our
way of life".
When asked whether Britain should
change its foreign policy in response
to terrorism only 12 % said it should
be more conciliatory, compared with
53 % who thought it should become
more "aggressive" and 24 % who
wanted no change.
People were divided about the
Muslim community in Britain.
Fifty per cent said "most British
Muslims are moderate" while
28 % disagreed with the
statement and 22 % did not know.
While there was strong support
for a hard line on terrorism at home,
the survey exposed deep-seated
distrust of the foreign policies
championed by Mr Bush since
September 11, 2001. Only 14 %
believed Britain should continue
to align itself with America.
On a recent five-day visit to the
United States Mr Blair did nothing
to distance himself from Mr Bush -
despite pressure to do so from
Labour MPs. In the White House
he stood shoulder to shoulder with
the President, stressing the struggle
the West faced against an "arc of
extremism" stretching from
Afghanistan to the Lebanon.
Some 60 % of people thought the
war on terrorism would continue
for at least 10 years, with 44 % of
these thinking it would still be going
on in 20 years' time.
Fifty per cent of people believed
Mr Blair should have broken his
holiday to deal with the crisis
caused by the arrest of suspects
in last week's alleged plot to blow
up transatlantic aircraft. Forty
three % thought he could do the
job as well by telephone and e-mail.
Stressing the need for European
co-operation, Mr Reid said:
"It's very important that the
measures that are taken in
one country are reflected in
other countries because we
want equal security for all our
countries.
We must not have a position
where terrorists feel if it is difficult
to get through security checks in
London, they might be able to
go to Paris or Frankfurt or Berlin".
© Copyright of
Telegraph Group Limited 2006
Unquote
Posted by:
Vicegerent