Discussion:
More 'FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT 1850' Type Court Activity
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Vicegerent
2005-11-16 15:20:41 UTC
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This exerpt from Jon Rappaport's
NO MORE FAKE NEWS: Quote:

MISTRIAL DECLARED IN CASE OF ERNST ZUNDEL

NOVEMBER 15, 2005. In what appears to be something
out of a surreal dream, the German trial of Ernst Zundel
has been temporarily ended because all his lawyers could
not get one of their many motions accepted by the court
judge.

I guess there is a German rule that says: defense lawyers
have to produce a semblance of competence by making at
least one motion stand up. I don't really know. Anyway,
Zundel has a new lawyer, and the trial may re-open in
February.

The charge? Denial of the Holocaust. Or something like that.
In Canada, during his three trials, Zundel was charged with
threatening national security. Threatening how? By denying
the accepted story, in certain respects, of the Holocaust.

After perusing a number of articles about Zundel on the
rense.com site, I presume that Zundel is a very unpopular
man because he is stating that the Nazi extermination of
Jews during WW2 has been grossly exaggerated, in terms
of actual numbers of Jews killed.

So far, I find no evidence that Zundel has committed a crime
against any person or piece of property, in the usual sense
of crime. Nor do I find any direct inciting to violence on the
part of Zundel.

In other words, he is being held in prison (as he was
in Canada) because he expresses certain thoughts.
Unquote

This sounds very much like the US Court's injustice to
Irwin Schiff and the other two obviously scapegoat Jews
sacrificed for the greater good of the Protocols
implementation.

Wonder where the 1850 US Congress got their feed in
writing the 'How to handle dissident slaves' which they
wrote in this Act. And, contrary to the Damage Control
Goons on this NG, that methodology is very much in
existence today. Might it have been from the Vatican
Secret Service manuals?

Fugitive Slave Act 1850 Section 6 exerpt:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/fugitive.htm

"In no trial or hearing under this act shall the testimony
of such alleged fugitive be admitted in evidence;"

Vicegerent
Abbot
2005-11-16 19:42:44 UTC
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Abbot) Eldon, it must be a real b*tch living, as you do, in a world
seen through the lens of paranoid schizophrenia and thus never knowing
what is real and what isn't.
Post by Vicegerent
This exerpt from Jon Rappaport's
MISTRIAL DECLARED IN CASE OF ERNST ZUNDEL
NOVEMBER 15, 2005. In what appears to be something
out of a surreal dream, the German trial of Ernst Zundel
has been temporarily ended because all his lawyers could
not get one of their many motions accepted by the court
judge.
I guess there is a German rule that says: defense lawyers
have to produce a semblance of competence by making at
least one motion stand up. I don't really know. Anyway,
Zundel has a new lawyer, and the trial may re-open in
February.
The charge? Denial of the Holocaust. Or something like that.
In Canada, during his three trials, Zundel was charged with
threatening national security. Threatening how? By denying
the accepted story, in certain respects, of the Holocaust.
After perusing a number of articles about Zundel on the
rense.com site, I presume that Zundel is a very unpopular
man because he is stating that the Nazi extermination of
Jews during WW2 has been grossly exaggerated, in terms
of actual numbers of Jews killed.
So far, I find no evidence that Zundel has committed a crime
against any person or piece of property, in the usual sense
of crime. Nor do I find any direct inciting to violence on the
part of Zundel.
In other words, he is being held in prison (as he was
in Canada) because he expresses certain thoughts.
Unquote
This sounds very much like the US Court's injustice to
Irwin Schiff and the other two obviously scapegoat Jews
sacrificed for the greater good of the Protocols
implementation.
Wonder where the 1850 US Congress got their feed in
writing the 'How to handle dissident slaves' which they
wrote in this Act. And, contrary to the Damage Control
Goons on this NG, that methodology is very much in
existence today. Might it have been from the Vatican
Secret Service manuals?
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/fugitive.htm
"In no trial or hearing under this act shall the testimony
of such alleged fugitive be admitted in evidence;"
Vicegerent
Vicegerent
2005-11-17 01:19:45 UTC
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SAAAY WHAAAT? At tleast, Warman is not blind,
as you, Jack Foster, obviously are, which apparently
comes from too much inbreeding with the local hogs.
Seems to be a common trait that the jerks from
Kentucky so well exhibit.

Vicegerent
Abbot
2005-11-17 12:09:39 UTC
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Abbot) Eldon you say Zionist judges in Canada use an American law
repealed almost 140 years ago to carry out the wishes of the IRS which
is controlled by the Vatican . . .then you say you aren't nuts?
Post by Vicegerent
SAAAY WHAAAT? At tleast, Warman is not blind,
as you, Jack Foster, obviously are, which apparently
comes from too much inbreeding with the local hogs.
Seems to be a common trait that the jerks from
Kentucky so well exhibit.
Vicegerent
Vicegerent
2005-11-17 16:58:40 UTC
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Sorry Jack. Seems that that you got
Warman's assessment of himself
incorrectly quoted.

It was not . . .then you say you aren't nuts?

It was . . . crazy, like a fox!

Vicegerent
Brock
2005-11-17 17:12:27 UTC
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Post by Vicegerent
Sorry Jack. Seems that that you got
Warman's assessment of himself
incorrectly quoted.
It was not . . .then you say you aren't nuts?
It was . . . crazy, like a fox!
Vicegerent
Slavery in the US was never formally abolished because of Lincoln's
assassination so the 'FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT 1850' is still in effect.
Richard Macdonald
2005-11-17 18:06:29 UTC
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Post by Brock
Post by Vicegerent
Sorry Jack. Seems that that you got
Warman's assessment of himself
incorrectly quoted.
It was not . . .then you say you aren't nuts?
It was . . . crazy, like a fox!
Vicegerent
Slavery in the US was never formally abolished because of Lincoln's
assassination so the 'FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT 1850' is still in effect.
Amendment XIII
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
legislation.
Vicegerent
2005-11-18 00:15:54 UTC
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From: http://www.restoreliberty.com/involserv.htm

Quote:

"The courts were left with two options after the
13th amendment: They would either remind the
politicians that exceptions to the 13th amendment
must be clarified to the people by a further
amendment to the Constitution; or they would
use fiction of law and carve out exceptions to
the 13th amendment.

Today, we have a record, and sadly, the courts
have shown time and time again that they stand
willing to carve out exceptions whenever the
politicians want something bad enough that
any person with common sense can see is a
servitude.

But the main problem with slavery is what
Abraham Lincoln called a "thick coating,"
meaning that an institution of slavery is always
surrounded by enormous sums of money since
the slaves that are exploited number in the millions.
In fact, I would submit that the enslavement and
plunder of the Jews under the National Socialists
back in Hitler's day was far more oppressive than
pre Civil War slavery was in America, and the
National Socialists didn't have to pay one penny
to secure the use of the Jewish people's labor.

It cannot be denied that the federal and state
governments of today tax and garnish people's
labor on a massive scale. Basically, what socialism
does is enslave A for the benefit of B. How many
billions of dollars of labor per year that is extorted
from workers by the force of law I do not know,
but the amount is no doubt enormous."

[clipped for brevity - read the rest on the above URL]

Vicegerent
u***@mail.samhill.co.uk
2005-11-18 05:24:00 UTC
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Thank you for posting this extremely comprehensive website on the
subject of involuntary servitude.

Now, this brings up a good question for Abbot.

Abbot, when was the last time you had ever posted anything that negates
slavery? From a reading of all the recent discussions, it would appear
that you never offer anything of substance to negate slavery. Is this
true? If yes, then please direct to where you had posted such
information. You continue to challenge others and that in of itself is
useful and constructive. So long as you keep going after the arguments
posited by ViceRegent, Star, and Jimmy; even a casual reader could
determine what appears to be your true position. Don't you think it is
about time that you explain your position with regard to involuntary
servitude? Do you support involuntary servitude in all the forms that
Vice Regent, Star and others have made references to? Please answer
this question and to everyone else, please refrain from making personal
attacks upon each other.

Undeniable Truth
Post by Vicegerent
From: http://www.restoreliberty.com/involserv.htm
Vicegerent
Abbot
2005-11-18 14:48:00 UTC
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Post by u***@mail.samhill.co.uk
Thank you for posting this extremely comprehensive website on the
subject of involuntary servitude.
Now, this brings up a good question for Abbot.
Abbot, when was the last time you had ever posted anything that negates
slavery? From a reading of all the recent discussions, it would appear
that you never offer anything of substance to negate slavery. Is this
true?
Abbot) Your argument is disingenuous and reminiscent of those by
earlier detax "personas" who sought to dismiss my logic by claiming
I did not show proper liberty loving credentials.

If you will recall I have citied countless times the repeal of the
Fugitive Slave Act and the ratification of the 13th amendment as the
legal negation of slavery.

In your earlier personas I am sure you read my frequent posts stating
that I supported our God Given Rights as enshrined in the Constitution,
the Bill of Rights.
Post by u***@mail.samhill.co.uk
If yes, then please direct to where you had posted such
information. You continue to challenge others and that in of itself is
useful and constructive. So long as you keep going after the arguments
posited by ViceRegent, Star, and Jimmy; even a casual reader could
determine what appears to be your true position. Don't you think it is
about time that you explain your position with regard to involuntary
servitude? Do you support involuntary servitude in all the forms that
Vice Regent, Star and others have made references to? Please answer
this question and to everyone else, please refrain from making personal
attacks upon each other.
Undeniable Truth
Post by Vicegerent
From: http://www.restoreliberty.com/involserv.htm
Vicegerent
Abbot
2005-11-18 14:54:43 UTC
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Abbot) It is a fact of law and history that slavery is illegal in the
U.S.

Eldon, you can only make it seem otherwise by foisting upon us the
logical fallacy that taxes and indeed government, by their very natures
are slavery and tyrant.

In the end we all know that this is merely your way excusing your
inability to function in society. . .a disability that is born of your
insanity.
Post by Vicegerent
From: http://www.restoreliberty.com/involserv.htm
"The courts were left with two options after the
13th amendment: They would either remind the
politicians that exceptions to the 13th amendment
must be clarified to the people by a further
amendment to the Constitution; or they would
use fiction of law and carve out exceptions to
the 13th amendment.
Today, we have a record, and sadly, the courts
have shown time and time again that they stand
willing to carve out exceptions whenever the
politicians want something bad enough that
any person with common sense can see is a
servitude.
But the main problem with slavery is what
Abraham Lincoln called a "thick coating,"
meaning that an institution of slavery is always
surrounded by enormous sums of money since
the slaves that are exploited number in the millions.
In fact, I would submit that the enslavement and
plunder of the Jews under the National Socialists
back in Hitler's day was far more oppressive than
pre Civil War slavery was in America, and the
National Socialists didn't have to pay one penny
to secure the use of the Jewish people's labor.
It cannot be denied that the federal and state
governments of today tax and garnish people's
labor on a massive scale. Basically, what socialism
does is enslave A for the benefit of B. How many
billions of dollars of labor per year that is extorted
from workers by the force of law I do not know,
but the amount is no doubt enormous."
[clipped for brevity - read the rest on the above URL]
Vicegerent
Vicegerent
2005-11-20 16:24:22 UTC
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From: http://www.restoreliberty.com/involserv.htm

Quote:

"The courts were left with two options after the
13th amendment: They would either remind the
politicians that exceptions to the 13th amendment
must be clarified to the people by a further
amendment to the Constitution; or they would
use fiction of law and carve out exceptions to
the 13th amendment.

Today, we have a record, and sadly, the courts
have shown time and time again that they stand
willing to carve out exceptions whenever the
politicians want something bad enough that
any person with common sense can see is a
servitude.

But the main problem with slavery is what
Abraham Lincoln called a "thick coating,"
meaning that an institution of slavery is always
surrounded by enormous sums of money since
the slaves that are exploited number in the millions.
In fact, I would submit that the enslavement and
plunder of the Jews under the National Socialists
back in Hitler's day was far more oppressive than
pre Civil War slavery was in America, and the
National Socialists didn't have to pay one penny
to secure the use of the Jewish people's labor.

It cannot be denied that the federal and state
governments of today tax and garnish people's
labor on a massive scale. Basically, what socialism
does is enslave A for the benefit of B. How many
billions of dollars of labor per year that is extorted
from workers by the force of law I do not know,
but the amount is no doubt enormous."

[clipped for brevity - read the rest on the above URL]

Vicegerent

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