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Keep the Boy Scouts from ACLU's grasp!
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Antimulticulture
2005-10-16 11:55:15 UTC
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American Criminal Liberties Union Watch:
Keep the Boy Scouts from ACLU's grasp!
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46835
October 15, 2005

The two monster hurricanes smacking our shores recently should reminds us
that, sooner or later, conflicts or disasters make survival too much the
issue for certain pointy-headed philosophical debates to matter, and we
simply need disciplined leaders of grace and grit.

So we'd best be preserving the Boy Scouts. Why trouble ourselves about the
Scouts now, you ask? Because discipline, grace, grit, skills and morality
are the special stuff of the training ground that is Scouting. And this
hallowed institution is currently suffering ungodly persecution from an
organization that professes to "protect civil liberties."

I was a Boy Scout. Even before that, growing up in Nashville, I was a Cub
Scout. So was my brother Nick. Mama was a den mother, and my two sisters
were Brownie scouts. Daddy participated when and how he could, helping us
kids earn our merit badges and always being at every event to cheer us on
and let us know he was proud of us.

Can I describe what the Scouting experience meant in the shaping of my whole
life and personality, my sense of duty, priority and self-esteem? Those few
fleeting years emerge in the panorama of my memories as among the most
precious and valuable of all. I truly believe I would be a lesser man today
if the institution of Scouting had not been in my boyhood.

Remember the Scout Oath?

On my honor I will do my best

To do my duty to God and my country, and to obey the Scout Law;

To help other people at all times;

To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

That's it. Simple, huh? A pretty good credo for a young person, wouldn't you
say? If a young boy or girl, at a very impressionable time in life, is
motivated to try to live up to and employ these guidelines, the result
should be a clean-living, courteous, responsible adult. What every community
and every parent hopes for. Right?

Not according to the ACLU legalists (known increasingly as "The Devil's
Advocates") who have carried on a relentless campaign to reshape, and to
impose their idea of political correctness upon, the private, venerable Boy
Scouts of America. They want to force the BSA to welcome professing
homosexuals and even to recruit gay Scout leaders. They'd also like to erase
the mention of "duty to God," since not every boy necessarily believes in
God, and a few have even been taught not to.

By the way, among the vast array of notables who have benefited from their
old-fashioned Scout experiences and publicly attested to it, you can count
Steven Spielberg, Bill Gates and Sam Walton; add in Hank Aaron, Bruce
Jenner, Nolan Ryan and astronaut Sally Ride. And then ask yourself ... any
of the ACLU's darlings in there anywhere? Why, do you suppose?

In the parlance of warfare, the ACLU is waging more than just a battle; it
is waging a campaign. Since 1981, it has participated in at least 14 cases
against the Boy Scouts, amounting to 89 years' worth of court proceedings so
far. Tactically brilliant at it by now, the ACLU has argued here that the
Scouts are a religious organization and there that the Boy Scouts believe
too little to qualify for First Amendment religious protection from
governmental intrusion. It has learned that merely threatening to sue an
institution or an arm of government does often work to "blackmail" officials
into complying with its demands.

We have to worry that judges in court deliberations seem more and more to
weigh what they were taught about the Constitution back in school against
the pressure to dazzle their legal brethren and the "progressive" media.
Some black-robed figures have handed down jarring decisions forcing upon
society the discovery of new human rights and the redefinition of marriage -
all according not to precedent, logic or text, but simply to personally felt
idealism.

So, what to do? Put up some useless fight, flailing away at the
"progressive" trends and entrenched powers? Or cave in and cool off,
surrender to the apparent inevitable, and go with the flow? Many Americans
are alarmed at all this, I among them. And we're determined that the Scouts,
a private organization after all, be left alone to continue their great,
vital work.

If we fail? For your consideration, I offer a Scout Oath politically
corrected for the ACLU's America:

On my individual concept of honor, I will make a reasonable effort

To do my duty to vague ideals, possibly including, but never
co-mingling, church and state

And to observe the Scout Law when I agree with it;

[Ed. To help anyone else against my country, at all times;]

To keep myself physically hot to both sexes, politically correct and
morally malleable.

With this new Scout Oath, the ACLU's self-appointed defenders of our
liberties could at last move on to more tempting targets. Their prolonged
legal warfare on the Boy Scouts will finally have ended, because the Scouts
will have ceased to be a target representing any sort of old-time religious
or patriotic values. In the meantime, there is still nothing the ACLU will
target more strenuously than these values, wherever they're exhibited -
always in the name of "protecting civil liberties."

[Ed. Protecting civil liberties by disenfranchising the majority, tyranny is
true democracy - how Orwellian...]

--
Jim
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Western_Nationalist
Union Against Multiculty

"Abolish Multiculty and String Up The Traitors!"
H***@aol.com
2005-10-16 15:05:16 UTC
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Post by Antimulticulture
Keep the Boy Scouts from ACLU's grasp!
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46835
October 15, 2005
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So we'd best be preserving the Boy Scouts. Why trouble ourselves about the
Scouts now, you ask? Because discipline, grace, grit, skills and morality
are the special stuff of the training ground that is Scouting. And this
hallowed institution is currently suffering ungodly persecution from an
organization that professes to "protect civil liberties."
[It is my impressiong that BS is a private organization; so, as such,
if they're not receiving public funding, they can BE as bigoted and
homophobic as they desire, no?]

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Post by Antimulticulture
Can I describe what the Scouting experience meant in the shaping of my whole
life and personality, my sense of duty, priority and self-esteem? Those few
fleeting years emerge in the panorama of my memories as among the most
precious and valuable of all. I truly believe I would be a lesser man today
if the institution of Scouting had not been in my boyhood.
[So what's the problem? BS is still out there, but boys may not be
signing on as readily as they once did, I suppose, if the organization
has a lesser reputation today. ]
Post by Antimulticulture
Remember the Scout Oath?
On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country, and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
That's it. Simple, huh? A pretty good credo for a young person, wouldn't you
say?
[Since I'm an agnostic, I don't really see what God has to do with
choosing to keep physically strong, mentally awake and morally
straight. You either HAVE a moral code or you don't whether or not you
believe in a diety. But, BS are a private organization, so ...as I
have suggested, as long as they don't accept public money, they can be
as supersticious as they like.]

If a young boy or girl, at a very impressionable time in life, is
Post by Antimulticulture
motivated to try to live up to and employ these guidelines, the result
should be a clean-living, courteous, responsible adult. What every community
and every parent hopes for. Right?
[I can' speak for your community, but mine is composed of all kinds of
people, including atheists, homosexuals, agnostics, etc. So, having a
moral code that would reflect the community would require making policy
decisions that also reflect the community. So, I guess my answer would
have to be NO.]
Post by Antimulticulture
Not according to the ACLU legalists (known increasingly as "The Devil's
Advocates") who have carried on a relentless campaign to reshape, and to
impose their idea of political correctness upon, the private, venerable Boy
Scouts of America. They want to force the BSA to welcome professing
homosexuals and even to recruit gay Scout leaders. They'd also like to erase
the mention of "duty to God," since not every boy necessarily believes in
God, and a few have even been taught not to.
[But, didn't you just say you WANTED BS to reflect the community? Are
you suggesting there are no gays in the community? Where do you live,
Mars!]
Post by Antimulticulture
By the way, among the vast array of notables who have benefited from their
old-fashioned Scout experiences and publicly attested to it, you can count
Steven Spielberg, Bill Gates and Sam Walton; add in Hank Aaron, Bruce
Jenner, Nolan Ryan and astronaut Sally Ride. And then ask yourself ... any
of the ACLU's darlings in there anywhere? Why, do you suppose?
[Sally Ride was not admitted to BOY SCOUTS (funded my some major
religions) because she's female. Spielberg's The Color Purple contains
lesbian scenes, so apparently he isn't as put off by homosexuality as
you might have him look.
Bill Gates showed his support of the homosexual part of the community
when he first contemplated domestic partners benefits, so I doubt he'd
be supportive of a bigoted BSA. And, didn't Sam Walton (or his worker
bees) pull a shirt from his store that said "Girls can Be President"
:-) I guess it takes all kinds. ]
Post by Antimulticulture
In the parlance of warfare, the ACLU is waging more than just a battle; it
is waging a campaign. Since 1981, it has participated in at least 14 cases
against the Boy Scouts, amounting to 89 years' worth of court proceedings so
far. Tactically brilliant at it by now, the ACLU has argued here that the
Scouts are a religious organization and there that the Boy Scouts believe
too little to qualify for First Amendment religious protection from
governmental intrusion. It has learned that merely threatening to sue an
institution or an arm of government does often work to "blackmail" officials
into complying with its demands.
[Like what?]
Post by Antimulticulture
We have to worry that judges in court deliberations seem more and more to
weigh what they were taught about the Constitution back in school against
the pressure to dazzle their legal brethren and the "progressive" media.
[Good of you to admit that the ACLU can razzle-dazzle 'em. :-) And
yes, progress is generally a good thing as well, especially when it
results in greater human civil rights.]
Post by Antimulticulture
Some black-robed figures have handed down jarring decisions forcing upon
society the discovery of new human rights and the redefinition of marriage -
all according not to precedent, logic or text, but simply to personally felt
idealism.
[The definition of marriage has not changed a whit...now it just
pertains to everybody and not just the group YOU THINK should have the
right to marry.]
Post by Antimulticulture
So, what to do? Put up some useless fight, flailing away at the
"progressive" trends and entrenched powers? Or cave in and cool off,
surrender to the apparent inevitable, and go with the flow? Many Americans
are alarmed at all this, I among them. And we're determined that the Scouts,
a private organization after all, be left alone to continue their great,
vital work.
[Scouts are being left alone unless they take public money or perform
some unconstitutional activity. IN fact, they're probably going to
find themselves more 'alone' than ever before. :-)]
p***@hotmail.com
2005-10-16 16:08:01 UTC
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Please keep the Boy Scouts away from the Christian Taliban!

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