Discussion:
Yankee Lies Continue
(too old to reply)
Vicegerent
2005-12-09 15:36:12 UTC
Permalink
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
<Iron_Clay <***@clear.net.nz>

Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)

*******************************************************
Members of Congress Ask Bush to Stop Undercounting
U.S. Casualties
December 7, 2005

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President:
We are concerned that the Department of Defense has been
under-reporting casualties in Iraq by only reporting non-fatal
casualties incurred in combat. We write today to request that
you provide the American people with a full accounting of the
American casualties in Iraq since the March 19, 2003 invasion,
including a full accounting of the fatalities, the wounded, those
who have contracted illnesses during their time overseas, and
those suffering from mental <afflictions as a result of their
service in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring
Freedom.

We are concerned that the figures that were released to the
public by your Administration do not accurately represent the
true toll that this war has taken on the American people.

On November 21, 2004, CBS' 60 Minutes led its program with
a segment on the subject of uncounted "non-combat" casualties.
They interviewed badly injured soldiers who were upset by their
being excluded from the official count, even though they were,
in one soldier's words, "in hostile territory...".

The Pentagon declined to be interviewed, instead sending a
letter that contained information not included in published
casualty reports. "More than 15,000 troops with so-called
'non-battle' injuries and diseases have been evacuated from Iraq,"
wrote the Department of Defense. John Pike, Director of Global
Security.org told 60 Minutes in that segment that this uncounted
casualty figure "would have to be somewhere in the ballpark of
over 20, maybe 30,000."

As you know, more than one in four U.S. troops have come
home from the Iraq war with health problems that require medical
or mental health treatment. Thus, with more than 300,000 troops
having served in Iraq, this amounts to at least 50,000 cases of
mental trauma. Moreover, 101,000 of the 431,000 troops who
have returned home from service in Iraq and Afghanistan and who
have separated from the military, have sought help.

This figure shows the Pentagon's official Iraq casualty count of
2,082 U.S. troops killed, and 15,477 wounded as of today, to be
inaccurate by several multiples. What we cannot understand is
why you are only reporting the total American casualty figure at
just over 15,000 when you know that this figure is not an accurate
representation of the facts and does not represent the entire
picture of American lives affected by the war. We also need to
understand where your numbers are coming from and how you
arrived at them given the facts and data that has been released
from the Pentagon.

Based on the data that have been released by your Administration
and the unofficial data that are coming out of the Pentagon, what
we can be certain of is that at least tens of thousands of young
men and women have been physically or psychologically damaged
for life. To be exact, the figure ranges somewhere between 15,000
and 101,000 today. This is a staggering range of casualties by any
standard, as these casualties will affect the lives of at least
hundreds
of thousands of family members and others. We cannot emphasize
enough how important it is that we understand the gravity of the
situation that we are faced with.

Since the March 2003 invasion, our troops have been dying at a rate
of about 800 a year, with most killed in action by crude but powerful
roadside bombs. More than 90 percent of the deaths have come after
you declared an end to "major combat operations" on May 1, 2003.

Moreover, the Pentagon reports that of the service members returning
from the Iraq war this year, 47 percent saw someone wounded or killed,
or saw a dead body. This is no small matter that can be downplayed
by superficial reassurances designed to temporarily assuage the
uneasiness of the American public. The effects of this war will remain
for many years to come and each and every one of us will have to
cope with it.

The American people have sacrificed a great deal as a result of this
war and they deserve to know what you know. Those who have
sacrificed deserve to know that their sacrifice counted and that their
service abroad was as recognizable as that of our fallen soldiers.

Further, the failure of your Administration to acknowledge the loss
of Iraqi lives prevents the American people from having a complete
picture of the cost of this war. We urge you to honor your duty as
our Commander-in-Chief to keep the American people regularly
informed of the true human cost of the Iraq War.

Sincerely,

Rep. John Conyers, Jr.

Rep. Sam Farr

Rep. Raul M. Grijalva

Rep. Carolyn Maloney

Rep. Betty McCollum

Rep. Jim McDermott

Rep. Jan Schakowsky

LINK: http://uruknet.info/?p=m18558

Posted by: Vicegerent
Richard Macdonald
2005-12-09 16:36:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot
2005-12-09 17:37:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Macdonald
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot) You will never get names from Eldon. He's peddles propaganda,
not truth

There isn't any doubt George Bush is busy trying to put lipstick on
the pig that is the war in Iraq. We can be sure that he and his
supporters don't want to talk about the severed legs of soldiers lost
to IED's, the battle fatigue, the reservists on their second and
third tours, or worse yet the mess we have made out of the Iraq.

Those of us who have successfully worked to out the bozo in the White
house for the incompetent he is don't need crazy arses like Eldon
Warman muddying the water with his insane charges. The disingenuous
Bush spin machine would like nothing better than to lump all of us who
oppose the war in the same barrel with the Mad Man from Calgary the
same way they tried to link Congressman Murtha to Michael Moore.
Ron
2005-12-13 03:40:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Abbot
Post by Richard Macdonald
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot) You will never get names from Eldon. He's peddles propaganda,
not truth
There isn't any doubt George Bush is busy trying to put lipstick on
the pig that is the war in Iraq. We can be sure that he and his
supporters don't want to talk about the severed legs of soldiers lost
to IED's, the battle fatigue, the reservists on their second and
third tours, or worse yet the mess we have made out of the Iraq.
Those of us who have successfully worked to out the bozo in the White
house
"Successfully"!!!? You f****in' retard! He's still *in* the White
House.

What a lying twat.




for the incompetent he is don't need crazy arses like Eldon
Post by Abbot
Warman muddying the water with his insane charges. The disingenuous
Bush spin machine would like nothing better than to lump all of us who
oppose the war in the same barrel with the Mad Man from Calgary the
same way they tried to link Congressman Murtha to Michael Moore.
Abbot
2005-12-13 13:48:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron
Post by Abbot
Post by Richard Macdonald
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot) You will never get names from Eldon. He's peddles propaganda,
not truth
There isn't any doubt George Bush is busy trying to put lipstick on
the pig that is the war in Iraq. We can be sure that he and his
supporters don't want to talk about the severed legs of soldiers lost
to IED's, the battle fatigue, the reservists on their second and
third tours, or worse yet the mess we have made out of the Iraq.
Those of us who have successfully worked to out the bozo in the White
house for the incompetent he is
"Successfully"!!!? You f****in' retard! He's still *in* the White
House.
What a lying twat.
Abbot 2) Learn to read, MoRon. The American public has caught on to
GW's incompetence as he approval rating shows.

You are dismissed.
Post by Ron
don't need crazy arses like Eldon
Post by Abbot
Warman muddying the water with his insane charges. The disingenuous
Bush spin machine would like nothing better than to lump all of us who
oppose the war in the same barrel with the Mad Man from Calgary the
same way they tried to link Congressman Murtha to Michael Moore.
Vicegerent
2005-12-14 16:18:29 UTC
Permalink
Do you realize that, as a free will man
or a free will woman, you have been
filing a T1 (Canada) or IRS 1040 (US)
INCORRECTLY ever since you started
filing income tax returns.

Save yourself possibly $$$ Thousands,
by learning the proper way to file.

The method is simple and no cost.
And it works in both Canada and the
USA. (Likely Australia, NZ, and
England also)

Form numbers are obviously going to
be different; however, the method is
identical in all countries.

http://kanata.250free.com/filingT1.htm

Vicegerent
Seth Breidbart
2005-12-14 19:56:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vicegerent
Form numbers are obviously going to
be different; however, the method is
identical in all countries.
Sure: file a bogus tax return, go to jail, have no income, pay no
taxes.

Seth
Jimmy_For_Freedom
2005-12-15 15:31:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seth Breidbart
Post by Vicegerent
Form numbers are obviously going to
be different; however, the method is
identical in all countries.
Sure: file a bogus tax return, go to jail, have no income, pay no
taxes.
Seth
If just 10% of the population would decide they've had enough of being
manipulated by the fear used by the goons and the tax collectors, and
follow a true filing system, the regulators would back down and Jack'O
would be out of job. However, he could join Seth helping in the soup
kitchen for government employees.
r***@excite.com
2005-12-17 19:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Abbot
Post by Ron
Post by Abbot
Post by Richard Macdonald
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot) You will never get names from Eldon. He's peddles propaganda,
not truth
There isn't any doubt George Bush is busy trying to put lipstick on
the pig that is the war in Iraq. We can be sure that he and his
supporters don't want to talk about the severed legs of soldiers lost
to IED's, the battle fatigue, the reservists on their second and
third tours, or worse yet the mess we have made out of the Iraq.
Those of us who have successfully worked to out the bozo in the White
house for the incompetent he is
"Successfully"!!!? You f****in' retard! He's still *in* the White
House.
What a lying twat.
Abbot 2) Learn to read, MoRon. The American public has caught on to
GW's incompetence as he approval rating shows.
Bush displayed his incompetence ALL BY HIMSELF for all to see you
retarded loon.
You've been trying to take credit for that because you have nothing
else,.......other than your own incompetence as a damage control goon.
Post by Abbot
You are dismissed.
Still pretending you have power and authority? What does that say about
you?
Post by Abbot
Post by Ron
don't need crazy arses like Eldon
Post by Abbot
Warman muddying the water with his insane charges. The disingenuous
Bush spin machine would like nothing better than to lump all of us who
oppose the war in the same barrel with the Mad Man from Calgary the
same way they tried to link Congressman Murtha to Michael Moore.
Ron
2005-12-13 03:40:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Abbot
Post by Richard Macdonald
Post by Vicegerent
Neal King's (NZ) Newsletter
Please keep in mind that the total number of US soldiers
in the US military, killed in Iraq since March 2003 now
stands at over 16,386 (Neal)
Again, got any positive ID's on any of those about 14,000 missing KIA's?
Abbot) You will never get names from Eldon. He's peddles propaganda,
not truth
There isn't any doubt George Bush is busy trying to put lipstick on
the pig that is the war in Iraq. We can be sure that he and his
supporters don't want to talk about the severed legs of soldiers lost
to IED's, the battle fatigue, the reservists on their second and
third tours, or worse yet the mess we have made out of the Iraq.
Those of us who have successfully worked to out the bozo in the White
house
"Successfully"!!!? You f****in' retard! He's still *in* the White
House.

What a lying twat.




for the incompetent he is don't need crazy arses like Eldon
Post by Abbot
Warman muddying the water with his insane charges. The disingenuous
Bush spin machine would like nothing better than to lump all of us who
oppose the war in the same barrel with the Mad Man from Calgary the
same way they tried to link Congressman Murtha to Michael Moore.
Loading...